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04/11/1989 City CouncilTHESE MINUTES SUBJECT TO APRIL 18, 1989 APPROVAL EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES April 11, 1989 The study session of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 8:00 p:m. by Councilmember Bill Kasper at the Library Plaza Room, 650 Main St., Edmonds. PRESENT Larry Naughten, Mayor Bill Kasper, Council President Steve Dwyer, Councilmember Laura Hall, Councilmember Roger Hertrich, Councilmember Jo -Anne Jaech, Councilmember John Nordquist, Councilmember Jack Wilson, Councilmember Dave Berdine, Student Rep. PREVIEW OF APRIL 18 AGENDA STAFF Karin Noyes, Recorder The Council removed this item from the agenda because of the time schedule for this meeting. UPDATE FROM SISTER CITY COMMITTEE Council President Kasper informed the Council that there were several members of the Sister City Committee present to report on the Committee's activities. He referred the Councilmembers to the memorandum from Dolores Uhlman and the Sister City Committee. Council President Kasper explained that the meeting was a work meeting to enable the Council to obtain additional information about certain subjects. He said that no decisions would be made tonight. Dolores Uhlman thanked the Council for the opportunity to update them on the Committee's activi- ties. She said the Committee appreciates the support from the Council over the past few years. She said she has completely enjoyed her role as chairperson of the Committee and this has been the most fun thing she has ever done. She explained that the Committee is looking for a new president at this time. Ms. Uhlman referred the Council to the Sister City Committee Report that was included in the Council's packets. She reviewed this report with the Council. Ms. Uhlman said that the goals of the Sister City Committee are as follows: 1. To promote international communication and understanding. 2. To encourage educational, cultural, sports, technical, and governmental.exchanges. 3. To provide Edmonds citizens with opportunity to give service to and derive benefit from a community project of international scope. 4. To encourage trade and tourism development. 5. To promote the City of Edmonds. Ms. Uhlman referred the Councilmembers to the second page of the report which contains facts_ about Hekinan. She did not review these facts except to say that the Committee feels the Cit3 has found a City that closely matches and is capable of having a relationship with the City of Edmonds. She said she is very impressed with the City of Edmonds for their willingness to react out and develop a heart to heart relationship with Hekinan. She said that even though the Commit- tee has only been in existence a short time, they have developed many worthwhile exchanges anc contacts with the sister city. Ms. Uhlman, in reference to the third page of the report, pointed out some of the past projects of the Sister City Committee and some of the future projects, also. She said that Hekinan has been most desirous for the City of Edmonds to send some people to their city. She pointed out that Hekinan has sent visitors to Edmonds many times. Edmonds has only sent one delegation to Hekinan. Ms. Uhlman said that the City of Hekinan gave the City of Edmonds some iris bulbs as a gift. She said that there will be some publicity when the flowers bloom to encourage the community to enjoy this gift. Ms. Uhlman said that the City of Hekinan proposed that the City of Edmonds appoint a sculptor to go to Hekinan and create a sculpture for their City. Hekinan requested that this person be both young and talented. She said the Committee advertised and had seven wonderful applicants. They interviewed these seven applicants and informed the City of Hekinan that they have chosen Karen Stocker as their first choice and as a alternate, Elizabeth McDowell. Ms. Stocker said that she is interested taking her young child along. She would like to sculpt her child together with a young child from Hekinan. Ms. Uhlman said that Hekinan responded that they would like to have both of the sculpters and the young child and they would pay.all of the expenses. Ms. Uhlman said both of these artists will come before the Council in the future. Ms. Uhlman said that the City of Hekinan is also looking for a teacher from the City of Edmonds who could help teach English conversation in five Hekinan junior high schools. She pointed out that the salary is quite high to make the position attractive. She said Hekinan is looking for someone who is young, enthusiastic, and has a college degree. She said they advertised this position and had many applicants. The Committee will begin reviewing the applicants this week. Ms. Uhlman said Hekinan is interested in participating in the arts festival and the centennial celebration, also. While reviewing the fourth page of the report, Ms. Uhlman pointed out that the goals and objec- tives of the Sister City Committee are quite similar to those of the City of Edmonds. She said she gets comments from people who have been reading about the Sister City projects in the newspa- pers. These people have been so impressed with the program. Even though the program is run by a committee made up of volunteers, the program still is looked upon as a City project. Ms. Uhlman explained that in order to obtain donations for the Sister City Program from business- es and organizations in the Community, the Committee needs to create a way for these people to receive a tax benefit. Ms. Uhlman also pointed out the problem of trying to access the funds that are allocated by the City for use by the Sister City Committee. She explained that these funds are difficult to ac- cess at this time. She said these funds cannot be used for entertaining guests from out of the City. She explained that the Committee recently had difficulty in receiving money from this allocation for use during the recent visit of a school superintendent from Hekinan. She suggest- ed that some arrangements be made for the Committee to have joint access to the funds allocated to them by the City. Councilmember Hall inquired if the allocated funds were earmarked specifically for the Sister City Program. Mayor Naughten replied that money was allocated to support the Sister City Commit- tee. According to the Attorney General's Office, the City cannot spend the money entertaining out of town guests. Ms. Uhlman said that if the money is given to the Committee and placed in their budget, it would make -it easier for the Committee to access this money. City Attorney Snyder said private contributions received from the Community could be used for purposes that public funds cannot. He suggested that the best solution would be to have two sources of funds. Councilmember Jaech clarified that even if the Council gave the Committee the funds, they would be required to account for the money and would not be able to use the funds to entertain out of town guests. Ms. Uhlman said that the Committee would use the City funding for administrative expenses and the donated money for entertainment. Ms. Uhlman pointed out that the City of Hekinan uses City money for most of their Sister City projects. The City of Edmonds, on the other hand, operates their Sister City projects by using volunteers and seeking donations from the community. She felt that the City of Edmonds should do EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 2 April 11, 1989 whatever they can to endorse the efforts of the volunteers on the Sister City Committee. They put a great deal of time into these projects. Ms. Uhlman reviewed the funding report found on page four. She noted that the City gets quite a lot of promotion for the minimal amount of money spent. Mayor Naughten said that the volunteerism and the efforts and enthusiasm of the Committee have made the Sister City Program very successful. They have made it greater than anyone's expecta- tions. He suggested that the Committee be structured in such a manner to allow them to receive donations from citizens who, in turn, will receive a tax credit. He suggested that an accounting system should be developed also. Sam Dickison said he endorsed the idea that the Council should take ownership of the Sister City Program because they represent the City. He said it is a "shrinking world" and the communica- tions between the two cities have opened doors both artistically and educationally. He added that the Committee hopes to involve hospitals and the community in the future. Mr. Dickison said that a person has only to talk with hotel owners to find out how many Japanese people have visited Edmonds. The program has helped the City a great deal. Council President Kasper suggested that what the Council needs to do is add some structure to the Committee. He added that Continental Airlines has indicated that they will fly beyond Seattle free if you stay over somewhere around metropolitan Seattle. Councilmember Wilson inquired how many members the Committee has at this time compared to 1985. Ms. Uhlman said that when the Committee was first formed, they did not know what country or city would be chosen for the Sister City. Once that decision was made, some of the original members of the Committee dropped out. She said, currently, there are 65 people on the mailing list and 50 paid members of the Committee. She said they also have people who do not have time to be active on the Committee but have indicated their willingness to help if needed. Ms. Uhlman said the City has a great, untapped resource. The people in Hekinan are ready to jump on the quickest plane if the City of Edmonds would open up some possibilities to them. She ex- plained that one option the Committee is exploring is working with the Tourism Committee to send information to Hekinan about the bed and breakfast establishments and other accommodations within the City and other information that would make it easier for a person from Hekinan to visit Edmonds. Mayor Naughten inquired what, specifically, the Committee.would like the Council to do at this time. Ms. Uhlman said if the Council agrees there should be a Sister City Committee within the City, they should make it official. This would help avoid some of the duplicate costs. She said it would be helpful if the Committee were under the umbrella of the City. This would allow their officers the same type of protection as other committees in the City. Mayor Naughten inquired what the Council needs to do, legally, to qualify the Committee to obtain donations and'allow those who donate to receive a tax deduction. Ms. Uhlman said if the Commit- tee is officially under the umbrella of the City, they would be able to grant tax deductions to those people or organizations who donate funds to the program. City Attorney Snyder said the Committee has two choices to receive tax deductions for those donat- ing to their program. 1. The Committee could incorporate and file with the IRS to make them a nonprofit organization. Mr. Snyder pointed out that this would be very costly and would probably take all of the Committee's funding. 2. The Council could make the Sister City Committee an official committee by resolution or ordinance. This would make it possible for those donating to this program to receive a tax deduction. Evelyn Laurine said a year ago she did not know she would have three Japanese granddaughters. She said she got to know one of these girls during her visit to Hekinan last year. This girl will be visiting her this summer. Ms. Laurine said she met the other two girls during a student exchange in which she was a host family. These girls have all kept in contact with Ms. Laurine. Ms. Laurine said not only did she get to know three families in Japan, it has also been a tremen- dous experience for them. She said she is looking forward to the visit from her Japanese friends this summer and would like to return to Japan sometime. Ms. Uhlman said she appreciates the Council's time. Hopefully, the Committee's concepts will be accepted by the Council and some resolutions can be drawn up. She said Resolution 460 establishes them as a Committee of the City, but the Council needs to clarify some of the procedures. EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 3 April 11, 1989 Councilmember Wilson indicated that he appreciates Ms. Uhlman's time in coming before the Council to present the Committee's report. Mayor Naughten said Ms. Uhlman will be stepping down as chairperson of the Committee. Ms. Uhlman indicated that she would still be involved in the Sister City projects. PRESENTATION BY CONSULTANTS REGARDING CABLE TV FRANCHISE TV Council President Kasper reminded the Council of their decision to form a committee to review the ?;AA possibility of hiring a cable consultant. Councilmember Hall said that Michael Hall, a member of the cable committee, was unable to attend this meeting because he was invited to meet in Seattle regarding this same issue. She said that, hopefully, he will be able to bring the Committee some information from the meeting in Seattle. City Attorney Snyder said he asked two consultants to come before the Council. He said his secre- tary contacted the cable franchisee and informed them of what would be happening this evening. Mr. Snyder explained that the first group to come before the Council will be Miles Overholt and Lon Hurd from 3 H Cable Consultants, Seattle. The second person to come before the Council will be George L. Page from CATV Consultants, Lake Oswego, Oregon. City Attorney Snyder suggested that the Council should hear from both of these gentlemen and also from the Cable Committee. They can then decide how they would like to proceed. Miles Overholt said he has been in business for 10 years representing many cities within the state of Washington in several different functions. He referred the Council to the information he furnished them. This information was included in the Council's packets. Mr. Overholt explained that the relationship between cable operators and local governments has been much changed by the Federal Cable Communications Policy Act of 1984. This took away much of the Cities' prerogatives that they previously had with cable operators which include the follow- ing: 1. Rates 2. Programs 3. Manner in which a city may approach a refranchising project. Mr. Overholt explained that a city is not able to open up a bid process to obtain a cable fran- chise. Mr. Overholt said what is left to the cities is to try to maneuver within the framework of this law and look ahead to what is needed in the future. He said his company would help the City decide whether the quality and performance of the current cable franchisee has been reasonable. Mr. Overholt displayed a flow chart depicting the steps his company would take in helping the City with their refranchising efforts. These steps follow: 1. Analyze the existing franchise to determine what has happened in the past and what can be done in future to make the franchise more effective for the community. 2. Conduct a community needs assessment to decide what the City of Edmonds wants and needs. This would include a discussion of different options available to thg.community and the types of programming available. 3. Evaluate and assign priorities to determine what the community can afford and what they feel is the most important. 4. Review the available information to develop a proposal. This proposal would be given to the cable franchisee. The cable franchisee will be asked to respond to the proposal. 5. Negotiate between the City and the cable franchisee to come up with a proposal that is acceptable to both sides. Mr. Overholt explained that this is a very important process. The only time the City has the opportunity to get the attention of the cable operator is when renewal of the franchise is in progress. He urged the Council and Committee to give this their attention now and said he would be available to the City for this purpose. Councilmember Hall explained to Mr. Overholt that the Council has appointed an advisory commit- tee. She inquired what Mr. Overholt's company could do for the City that the Council, advisory EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 4 April 11, 1989 committee, and legal counsel could not do without paying extra money. She said she is concerned about the length of time some jurisdictions are contracting to. She inquired what Mr. Overholt would recommend for length of time. Mr. Overholt said the cable operator would like to have the longest contract he can get. On the other hand, the longer the City commits, the more intangibles come into play. He said 15 years is the longest contract he would recommend. Mr. Overholt said his company can provide the Coun- cil and Committee with the knowledge of what other jurisdictions have done in the past and what options are available to the City of Edmonds. They can take care of the engineering and techni- cal aspects of the refranchising process. Mayor Naughten asked Mr. Overholt if his company could develop these contracts so that a city would be able to work new technology into the contract. Mr. Overholt explained that they would try to place this information in the contract. Councilmember Jaech inquired why the City should hire Mr. Overholt's firm over another and what will his firm do for the City. Mr. Overholt pointed out that he knows the area. They have worked with over 25 other cities within Washington. They know what will work and what will not because they see how their deci- sions are applied within Washington. He said his firm does not pick up their briefcase and walk away. He said most of the cities they have worked for have retained them. Councilmember Wilson asked what Mr. Overholt would be monitoring for on a retainer basis. Mr. Overholt said he would monitor customer complaints. He said the City has the right to enforce certain standards. If there are gross abuses, there is the possibility of cancelling the con- tract. He said all of this information will be filed and used when the cable franchise is seek- ing renewal. Councilmember Wilson inquired about the fee for retainer services. Mr. Overholt said the fee is 15 percent of the franchise fee charged by the City. City Attorney Snyder that one aspect of.the review will be looking at the three percent cable fee currently charged by the City and the five percent that is allowed. He said the City will not be obligated to use the consultant on a retainer basis, but the City will most likely come out ahead because of the two percent increase in cable fees charged. Les Page from Lake Oswego, Oregon, said he has been a consultant for nine years in his own busi- ness. He said he hoped the Council had the opportunity to review the information and references he sent them, noting that he has worked for about 70 cities and counties over the past nine years --many in Washington state. Mr. Page said if the Council would like to stop him during his presentation to ask questions, they should do so. Mr. Page began describing the process he uses with all his franchise efforts. He said he is currently working on a franchise with the City of Millbrae, California. He said this city has many similarities to the City of Edmonds. Mr. Page explained that the Cable Act of 1984 is the heart of the cable refranchising effort. This act made the cable industry able to negotiate the right of the City to regulate rates. He said the cities now have the responsibility and right to insure that the cable related needs of the community are met. These needs include: public access, educational access and governmental access. Mr. Page said many consultants work with the public access, only. He emphasized that he would work with all three accesses equally. Mr. Page explained that the cable act says that the community leaders are in the best position to determine the needs of the community. He can meet with the community leaders on the educational, government, and public side to review the cable needs of the community. He will point out to these peoples the things the cable companies can do and have done in other communities. Councilmember Jaech inquired if Mr. Page has dealt with anyone from Chambers Cable in the past. Mr. Page said he has negotiated with Ms. Chambers before and she used to be a stockholder in Liberty Cable TV. City Attorney Snyder requested that Mr. Page clarify whether or not he has ever worked for a cable company. Mr. Page said that he does not work for the cable industry. EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 5 April 11, 1989 Councilmember Hall explained to Mr. Page that the Council, has appointed an advisory committee. She inquired what Mr. Page could do for the City that the City Attorney and the Committee cannot do. Mr. Page said he has worked with cable advisory committees before and enjoys doing so. He pointed out the following process he will use if the City decides to obtain his services. 1. Help the City do a community needs assessment by meeting with educational leaders and government officials. He would brief them on what cable companies are doing in other areas. 2. Conduct a performance inspection of the system to see that is is performing the way it should. 3. Review the subscriber complaint log. 4. .Assess whether the system can be upgraded or whether it will need to be rebuilt to provide the additional channels. 5. Review the rates. 6. Report on all of the above steps and determine how much is will cost to provide the additional services and whether the City will be able to support it. 7. Work with the advisory committee to develop a refranchising proposal (RFP). Mr. Overholt explained that the City must afford a third party the opportunity to compete for the franchise or they will be opening themselves up for legal difficulties in the future. Mr. Overholt explained that in the RFP he will give an introduction explaining what the City is looking for and leave blank spaces for the prospective cable franchisees to fill in with their own information. This will help the City in assessing each franchise. Mr. Overholt said after he has reviewed the RFPs, he will draft an ordinance so that the prospec- tive cable franchisees know exactly what they are bidding on. Mr. Overholt said both the City and the cable franchisee will have the opportunity to negotiate the contract and make any comments they wish. Mr. Overholt said he is not easy on cable operators but he is interested in being fair. Councilmember Wilson inquired about the engineering associates listed in Mr. Page's information. Mr. Page indicated that he would probably not need to use the engineers in the refranchising process. Councilmember Wilson asked for clarification on the maximum fee. He inquired if Mr. Page could give the Council some idea as to the maximum fee. Mr. Page said he needs to know more about what the City needs before he can make an assessment. He said that the City could, according to the cable act, expect the cable operators to pay these costs. Mr. Page pointed out the House Committee Report on the Cable Act which analyses what the cable act was intended for. Mr. Page said he would be glad to answer any of the Council's questions. If they would like to talk to him, they should feel free to call him. DISCUSSION OF PARAMETERS FOR FERRY TERMINAL STUDY Councilmember Hertrich said that he has been doing research on this subject and would like to bring the Council's attention to a few facts that he has gathered. He said he asked the ferry system for some information which Peter Hahn faxed to them. This information came back and he distributed a chart from the Department of Transportation --Marine Division depicting the traffic statistics and total vehicles from 1976 to 1988. He pointed out that he has marked this chart. Councilmember Hertrich said what they have constantly mentioned is the Department of Marine Divi- sion's forecast, especially a booklet they put out at one time entitled CROSS -SOUND ANALYSIS FOR THE WASHINGTON STATE FERRIES. He said this analysis is for the years 1979 to 1988. He said this report constantly talks about the tremendous growth in Edmonds. They indicate that the growth is 79 percent. It wasn't until Councilmember Hertrich got this chart that he passed EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 6 April 11, 1989 around that he realized where they get the 79 percent increase. He said COG made a model for the ferry forecast using the ferry system's numbers. He said these.numbers are faulty. Councilmember Hertrich said the 79 percent growth prediction as shown in figure 1 of the informa- tion received by Peter Hahn from the State Ferry System entitled YEAR 2000 RIDERSHIP FORECASTS FOR EDMONDS-KINGSTON, starts at somewhere around 700,000 and ends in 1988 at around 1,470,000. He reminded the Council that the Hood Canal Bridge sank in 1979 and was not rebuilt until November of 1982. He pointed out that when the bridge sank in 1979, the total vehicles went down to around 500,000 and stayed down in the lower number until the bridge opened in 1982 when the figures started to climb. Councilmember Hertrich said in the YEAR 2000 report, they refer to how the growth occurred from 1982 to 1988 of about 82 percent. They have been basing the numbers on the low figure when there was no Hood Canal Bridge compared to the present figure and coming up with 82 percent growth. Councilmember Hertrich said this is inaccurate. He suggested that the Council go back to the figures in 1978 prior to the time when the Hood Canal Bridge sank. He pointed out that from the 1978 figure to the 1988 figure there has only been a 38 to 40 percent growth rate. Councilmember Hertrich proposed that if the Council allows the ferry system to manage or pre- scribe or hire a consultant for what the City wants, this would be wrong. The ferry system will get the numbers they want and present it the way they want it. Councilmember Hertrich said he did not feel the City has the major problem that the ferry system suggests. He referred to a letter submitted by Bruce E. Jones. He read the following excerpts from this letter: "State agencies have the primary goal of accomplishing the mission of their agency. There will be conflict between the goals of the DOT and the goals of the City of Edmonds. This leads me to suggest that the City Council should implement its own planning process to parallel the state's process. The City should develop information on ferry system impacts to the extent that such information may not already be available." Council President Kasper pointed out that the discussion tonight is on the parameters for the future discussion on ferry dock terminals. He did not feel Mr. Hertrich's presentation was appro- priate at this time. Councilmember Jaech requested that Councilmember Hertrich furnish each of the councilmembers with copies of the information he has presented. She suggested that perhaps the Council should deter- mine what the problem actually is. In order to determine what they are going to study, the Coun- cil needs to decide what the problem really is. Councilmember Hertrich said the point he was trying to make is that he believes the City should control any of the studies that are being done and he did not believe they have the serious prob- lem that the ferry system would make us believe. He did not feel they need super ferries. Coun- cilmember Hertrich said he agreed with Natalie Shippen's letter that any future studies should: 1. Closely examine the travel patterns of the two major components of the Edmonds/Kingston ridership: a. the daily commuters, and 01 b. the recreational users. 2. Develop and evaluate different solutions for the problems caused by the two different types of ridership. Councilmember Hertrich felt the City could obtain a consultant to do those studies for the City. He felt this consultant could get some basic information for the Council. If the City controls the studies and hires the consultant, they have the right to interpret the studies the way they want to. Mayor Naughten inquired about funding for the consultant. Councilmember Hertrich did not feel it would be a big problem to obtain funding. He did not feel it would be a big job for the consul- tant to get information from the ridership. Mayor Naughten felt the City should fund the study themselves if they want to have the type of control about which Councilmember Hertrich was talking. The Council talked about the vehicle figures from the transportation department and most agreed that the 79 percent increase is not accurate. EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 7 April 11, 1989 Council President Kasper said that over the last two years the runs have increased 20 percent. .He pointed out that if you multiple this by ten years, you get a large increase. Councilmember Hertrich felt the Council should consider a couple of motions as suggested by Ms. Shippen. Councilmember Jaech reminded the Council that one of the reasons for discussing this issue to- night was to determine what additional information they want so they can discuss this issue at the Council Retreat. Council President Kasper indicated there had been no official motiort`to place the ferry system discussion on the retreat agenda. COUNCILMEMBER HALL MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER JAECH, TO PLACE THE FERRY SYSTEM DISCUSSION ON THE COUNCIL'S RETREAT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. Councilmember Wilson asked, based on the letter sent to Mr. Nutter, if the Council felt there would be any further information from the State that would shed any light on how they arrived at these figures, or had theCity received all the information it was going to from them? Mayor Naughten said the first thing to do is agree on the numbers. If the Council is concerned about the numbers, they should ask the ferry system for verification of their numbers. Councilmember Wilson felt they should give the state every opportunity to present the methodology on how they obtained their figures. Once the Council has this information, they will be able to proceed. Council President Kasper inquired what the State done as far as studies on the alternative loca- tion aspect. There was no reply to this question. Councilmember Hertrich reiterated that the numbers are distorted. Councilmember Wilson said he is not against taking the money from DOT as long as the City can use it as they see fit and hire their own consultant with no strings attached. Councilmember Hertrich said he would be afraid to take advice from a consultant hired by the ferry system. Councilmember Wilson pointed out that the State is a player in this project. He said he does not know to what extent, but they are a part of the project. -He felt it would be foolish to proceed in a way that would not allow the ferry system to participate in some way. Councilmember Hertrich felt that if the ferry system did not like the City's study, they could do their own. Counci I member, Hal I said at the last meeting between the ferry system and the City, the ferry system offered the City $100,000 to conduct a study. She said she felt that at that meeting the ferry system's mind was already made up, but they offered the money for the City to do whatever they wanted. She felt that if the City is firm and up front with the ferry system, she would not be afraid to take the money. Council President Kasper felt the study needs to determine to what level they can operate to this point and what alternatives are available beyond this point. He inquired where the capacity point is right now, with the current plans, and what will happen when growth is beyond the cur- rent plans. Councilmember Hall said on Easter Sunday she went to LaConner and practically all of the shops were open and packed. No shops in Edmonds were open on Eastar..Sunday. She pointed out that the ferry draws people to the City. If the ferry dock is relocated, the City will lose that asset. She suggested that the Council consider the City's tourism when discussing the options available for the ferry system. Councilmember Jaech said whether or not the ferry is moved, it does not have to be enlarged. There are other options that can be done so that the ferry can stay without bringing in super ferries. Councilmember Jaech said the CROSS -SOUND ANALYSIS refers constantly to the fact that the Edmonds run will have to have a larger dock. They are basing this decision on a 79 percent increase rather than the 40 percent increase and on the super ferries. The City needs to decide whether they are going to allow this type of thing to happen. EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 8 April 11, 1989 Councilmember Dwyer said it has been his concern as to whether it is smart for the City to do the study because he was kind of worried about the numbers becoming "their numbers" and having that thrown back in their face. He said the deceptions pointed out by Councilmember Hertrich put a different light on his concerns. He suggested that the City may have a better chance of maintain- ing control if they ran their own study. Councilmember Nordquist said that looking back on many experiences with the state he has found them wandering too many times. He suggested that it is the City's time to be assertive and make decisions and tell the State what they want. Right now is the time to step forward with what they want. Mayor Naughten pointed out that the community should be involved, too. Councilmember Wilson, once again, said he felt the state should be given the opportunity to ex- plain their figures. He said he previously felt it might be a little divisive for the City to control the State. In light of the deceptions, he has changed his mind somewhat. Councilmember Wilson observed that the City needs to be careful that they do not study this in such a biased way that it has the same affect as the study done by the State. There being no further business to come before the Council, the meeting was adjourned to an execu- tive session at 9:50 p.m. for approximately 40 minutes. THESE MINUTES ARE SUBJECT TO APRIL 18, 1989 APPROVAL. -�'JACQUELINE G. PARRETT, City Clerk LARRY S. NAUGHTEN, Mayor EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Page 9 April 11, 1989 AGENDA EDMONDS CITY COUNCIL PLAZA MEETING ROOM -LIBRARY BUILDING ? :00 - 10:00 P.M. APRIL 11, 1989 6:00 - 7:45 P.M. - SPECIAL DINNER MEETING AT FISHHOUSE CHARLIE'S RESTAURANT 144 RAILROAD AVE., EDMONDS, WASHINGTON (AGENDA: MAYOR WILL PRESENT TO COUNCIL 1989-90 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES) COUNCIL STUDY SESSION - NO AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION PLAZA MEETING ROOM, EDMONDS LIBRARY CALL TO ORDER - 8:00 P.M. 1. PREVIEW APRIL 18 AGENDA 2. COUNCIL WORK ITEMS: (A) SISTER CITY COMMITTEE UPDATE (B) PRESENTATION BY CONSULTANT REGARDING CABLE TV (C) DISCUSSION OF PARAMETERS FOR HEARING ON FERRY TERMINAL STUDY 4. EXECUTIVE SESSION (AFTER 9:30 P.M.) - LABOR NEGOTIATIONS PARKING AND MEETING ROOMS ARE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE (20 MINUTES) (30 MINUTES) (30 MINUTES) (30 MINUTES) (30 MINUTES)