19711019 City Council MinutesCLAIMS FOR DAMAGES
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Claims for damages were acknowledged from Jack and Patricia Palo and from Ray
and Delores Jenkins. These were referred to the City Clerk for processing.
PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE DISCONTINUANCE OF ILLEGAL CONNECTION TO SEWERS
Ron Whaley, Director of Maintenance and Operation, explained his request for a
proposed ordinance to enforce :discontinuance of illegal connections to sanitary
sewers. He stated that the pumping gauges show definite flow jumps on rainy
days, proving that drainage water is in the sewerage system. A report from
Reid, Middleton & Associates, Inc. also showed definite effects of rain on
the flows entering the sewer system. Investigation has shown storm drainage
is not only from city right-of-way, but at least 80 different sites connected
to sewer with downspouts, drains, etc.
Following some discussion, Councilman Kincaid made a motion, seconded by
Councilman Gellert that the City Attorney be instructed to prepare an ordinance
to prohibit connections of storm drainage water to the city sanitary sewer
system by both the city and private properties. Motion carried.
APPOINTMENT OF ABATEMENT COMMITTEE
At the request of the Building Official, Mayor Harrison read a proposed list
including the Fire Chief, Police Chief; City Attorney, Building Official and
one member of the City Council as members of the Abatement Committee. It was
moved by Councilman Slye, seconded by Councilman Nelson that the Abatement
Committee include the Building Official, Fire Chief, Police Chief, City
Attorney, and one City Councilman as an ex-officio member. Motion carried.
SET DATE FOR INFORMAL PUBLIC HEARING ON SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT
It was moved by Councilman'Kincaid, seconded by Councilman Nelson that Nov. 16
be set as the date for an informal public hearing on sidewalk improvement.
Motion carried.
FIRST READING: PROPOSED ORDINANCE PROHIBITING UNAUTHORIZED MOORAGE
First reading was held on a proposed ordinance prohibiting unauthorized moorage.
There was no further business, and the meeting adjourned at 11:20 P.M.
Irene Varney Mor , City Clerk
October 19, 1971
ROLL CALL
Harve H. liarrison, Mayor
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order by Mayor
Harve Harrison with all councilmen present except Nordquist, iiho arrived during
the first hearing, on vacation of Andover Street.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the meeting of October 5 had been posted and mailed. Councilman
Haines asked if all the comments made by Mrs. Norma Bruns under Audience Parti-
cipation could be included in the minutes. Mrs. Bruns had further stated that
she meant nothing personal against Councilman Gellert, but that she objected
to the manner in which the council had appointed someone to fill the vacant
seat; that more time should be taken on this matter; that it makes citizens
feel that they have nothing to say about their government if they cannot par-
ticipate. When a vacancy exists, it should be publicized so that groups or
individuals can either submit applications for consideration or make suggestions
for candidates for the offiteY
Councilman Nelson noted that his total vote polled in the Primary election
seemed to be incorrectly stated, and it was later found that there was a mis-
take in addition on the official canvass received from the county, from which
the totals were copied. Councilman Nelson's correct total was 2019 votes.
There being no further additions nor omissions, the minutes stood approved as
corrected.
HEARING: ON PETITION FOR VACATION OF PORTIONS OF ANDOVER STREET
Hearing was held on Resolution 245, petition for vacation of portions of
Andover Street. City Engineer Leif Larson briefed council on the request for
the easterly 10' and westerly 10' of the 80' R/W of Andover Street from
Olympic View Drive southerly to a point 570 feet north of 184th SW.
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Hearing was opened. Mr. Coomer, who initiated the vacation request, said he
hoped the existing easements would.=�be projected to the new R/W if this goes
through. City Attorney Murphy answered that whatever was there before would
remain in regard to easements, and the city would retain its utility ease-
ments. Gabrielle Struck, 18000 Andover Road, asked a question.on the record-
ing of this vacation, and the City Attorney assured her that the City Clerk
would have the instrument duly recorded .at the Snohomish County Courthouse, as
was the usual procedure in these matters. Mr. Coomer was concerned about his'
right to get to the street via his easement after the vacation. There were no
further comments from the audience, and the hearing was closed.
A motion was made by Councilman Nelson, seconded:by Councilman Tuson that
proposed Ordinance #1578 be passed, vacating portions of Andover Street, and
the motion carried.
HEARING: ON PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 364
Hearing had been continued from October 5 on Planning Commission Resolution
364, recommending approval of a proposed amendment to the official zoning
ordinance, revising section 12.13.160, permitted signs, under File ZO-8-71.
City Planner Merlin Logan briefly discussed the Planning Commission recom-
mendations and then with the suggestion that pole signs be allowed for a
period of ten years from date of ordinance, he summarized for council:
(1) that the size of ground signs not exceed 75 square feet; U) regulate
window signs so as not to exceed-25% of the total window area on eachAfron-
tage; (3) the height of pole signs not to exceed 25' from ground level or
base of sign; and (4) distance in spacing between pole signs be a minimum of
100' with minimum setback 10' from the public R/W. Mayor Harrison noted that
the council would probably postpone this matter for further study, but that
the hearing would nevertheless be held. Hearing was therefore opened.
Mrs. Cunningham, 1030 Grandview, gave each councilman a copy of an article
from Puget Soundings regarding signs and sign pollution. She said she was
thinking of neighborhood business zones and drive around looking at them; that
there were signs all over Edmonds and she saw so many while consciously look-
ing for them that she realized she had never really noticed some of them, even
though they had been there right along. She supported Mr. Logan's suggestions
for BN sign regulations. Mr. Peterson, representing Albertson's, said he
would like pole signs to be included in Paragraph 3 "Projection and locations".
The Mayor replied that this addition would probably be made by the council.
Tom Berry, representing the sign business, asked if elimination of pole signs
in Paragraph 3 had been intentional in the Planning Commission Resolution, and
what plans were for existing pole signs. He was answered that pole signs were
covered in the Resolution under Section 12.15.130 (C), calling for a 10 year
period from date of ordinance for non -conforming pole signs, if properly re-
paired and maintained. Mr. Berry admitted that there are so many signs that
some are never read, but if a person is looking for a certain business, the
sign becomes important. He added that all businesses, new or old, should be
allowed to have a pole sign for as long as the 10 year period from the time of
passage of the proposed ordinance, so that if erected two years after the
ordinance, for example, it would be allowed for 8 more years. Councilman
Gellert asked Mr. Berry how he would feel about the absence of pole signs
after the 10 years? Mr. -..Berry answered that he agreed with this, but as long
as signs were off the street and did not obstruct traffic, he thought they
should be allowed. He said that pole signs either deteriorate or become ob-
solete within 10 years. He added that prospective business people check into
the sign ordinance before locating in Edmonds.,
Natalie Shippen, in reference to pole signs in BN zones, felt that they cater
to the passing motorist rather than to the people in the areas who trade there.
She named several types of signs and kinds of stores and businesses in the BN
areas of the city and thought if they have to have signs, one pole sign with a
listing of all the businesses located in that particular shopping center would
be preferable to a large sign for each business. She said she couldn't be-
lieve that every gas station needed as many signs as they have. Mrs. Shippen
added that the Planning Commission resolution was designed to serve the resi-
dential areas. A gentleman who has a service station stated he plans to put
one sign on the corner to serve the two streets, feeling that this is an
attempt to improve the image of gas stations on corners..
Mr. Cunningham said he felt good taste was reflected in signs. He cited the
example of a student stamping his feet in school to get attention, whereas
it's much better to merely raise his hand. Captain Shields said he thought
the council wanted to encourage business in the city, and now they aredefi-
nitely anti -business with the restrictions they place on these businesses.
Pete Scobby asked if the proposed ordinance would effect the Edmonds High
School sign. One gentleman noted that there were many campaign signs around
town lately, and how effective did council feel they were?
City Planner Logan said that in regard to building permits issued in Edmonds,
the sign is usually the last thing the businessman thinks of, and the proposed
ordinance does not penalize. He offered Aurora Village as an example of re-
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strictive sign regulations, and felt that instead of competing with signs,
businesses should compete with better merchandise.
No one else wished to offer comment, and the hearing was closed.
Councilman Nelson said he liked the idea that Mr. Berry suggested, to allow
pole signs for 10 years from date of the ordinance, regardless when erected;
that merchants need signs to seek business from people passing through, but
they should be in good taste. In order to take all these suggestions under
consideration, Councilman Nelson moved, seconded by Councilman Haines that the
hearing be continued to the meeting of November 2, and the motion carried.
Councilman Nordquist suggested that the local merchants be invited to come to
the next council work meeting to discuss their ideas with the council. Capt.
Shields mentioned that he felt some hedges and other obstructions of that type
were more dangerous than some signs.
SECOND READING: PROPOSED ORDINANCE PROHIBITING UNAUTHORIZED MOORAGE
Second reading was held on a proposed ordinance to prohibit unauthorized
moorage. Attorney Richard Cole spoke in reference to this proposal, feeling
that in order to adequately deal with the problems of individuals on the docks
without permission and who will not cooperate, it was necessary to obtain
power to police the docks, and this proposed ordinance was the answer.
It was moved by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Kincaid that pro-
posed Ordinance #1579 be pd9sed, dealing with unauthorized moorage, etc., and
the motion carried.
PROPOSED ORDINANCE PROHIBITING CONNECTIONS OF STORM DRAINAGE WATER TO CITY
SEWER SYSTEM
First reading was held on a proposed ordinance prohibiting connections of storm
drainage water to the city of Edmonds sewer system.
POSTPONEMENT OF RETIREMENT DATE OF CAO LAWSON
A motion was made by Councilman Nordquist,seconded by Councilman Nelson that
council approve postponement of the retirement date of CAO D. C. Lawson to
January 31, 1972. Motion carried unanimously.
REAPPOINTMENTS TO PARK BOARD
Mayor Harrison made the reappointments of Keith LaBelle and Tony Koenig to the
Park and Recreation Advisory Board, and it was moved by Councilman Nelson,
seconded by Councilman Tuson that the Mayor's reappointments of Keith LaBelle
and Tony Koenig to the Board be confirmed. Motion carried.
PERMANENT APPOINTMENT OF FINANCE DIRECTOR
In regard to appointment of a Finance Director, Councilman Kincaid felt that
perhaps council should withhold any permanent appointment until after a new
CAO is selected, since he may have different ideas on functions within the
city framework, and he suggested referring this matter to the next council
work meeting in order to consider these points. A motion was made by Council-
man Haines, seconded by Councilman Gellert to table this item and discuss it
at the next council work meeting. Motion carried.
PERMISSION TO DISPOSE OF SURPLUS CITY VEHICLES
Ron Whaley, Director of Maintenance and Operation, read a list of vehicles and
equipment which he felt should be disposed of, and quoted the recommended
value of each:
1957 Chev 1z Ton Cab & Chassis, Unit 12 - $150.00
21-2 Yd. dump box with hydraulic cylinders & pump - $50.00
1957 Chevy 1h Ton Pickup, shor box, Unit 7 - $250.00
1962 Chevy 2 Ton dumptruck, V-8, 4 speed transmission, Unit 27 - $900.00
2 Winch machines with cable - $250.00 each.
It was moved by Councilman Haines, seconded by Councilman Nordquist to author-
ize sale of the surplus vehicles as listed, using the minimum prices quoted by
Mr. Whaley. Motion carried.
PAYMENT OF POLICE SERVICES STUDY TO SNOHOMISH COUNTY TREASURER
Authorization was requested for payment of $19910.00 to the Snohomish County
Treasurer for Police Services -Study, and it was moved by Councilman Tuson,
seconded by Councilman Nelson to authorize payment of the $1,910.00 to the
Snohomish County Treasurer for the Police Services Study. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Kincaid, seconded by Councilman Nordquist that
vouchers 413663 through 413847 in the total amount of $381,252.14 be approved
for payment of the regular monthly bills. Motion carried.
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It was moved by Councilman Kincaid, seconded by Councilman Tuson that vouchers
#38 through #53 for a total of $182,079.74 be approved for payment from the
1970 Water -Sewer Revenue Bond Issue. Referring to #479 Councilman Nelson
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questioned City Engineer Leif Larson on the payment..to Reid, Middleton & Asso-
ciates, Inc. for the outfall sewer extension. He stated he and the Mayor had
gone skindiving and found seeping in spots, and wondered if retention should
be made on -the payment. City Engineer Larson answered that he had arranged
for a mini -sub, at no cost, to take him down to inspect' -:the facility, but he
assured council that the work is guaranteed by'bond for one year. Councilman
Nelson said he wondered about the design contract and was concerned about
giving an O.K. to pay this bill if the city isn't really satisfied with its
working at this point. Engineer Larson said he thought the seepage they saw
was from the old line, and when asked by Councilman Tuson if he felt the bill
to Reid, Middleton & Associates should be paid, he answered that yes, he re-
commended payment.. Following this discussion, the motion carried.
Councilman Kincaid made the motion, seconded by Councilman Slye that the'
following LID bills be approved for payment:
LID #164 - $68.21 to Petrolane Liquified Gas Corp;
LID #172 - $19,929.38 to T. & E. Construction, Inc. for estimate #1 and
$2,214.38 to T. & E. Construction, Inc. & National Bank of Commerce for.deposit
of retainage in escrow account;
LID #182 - $31.50 to Everett Daily Herald and $18.90 to Edmonds Tribune Review;
LID #184 - $33,904.98 to UAB Fund, City of Edmonds Treasurer for participation
by LID 184.46in 9th Avenue Street improvements through progress billing #17 Phase
I, Casper Street to Edmonds Way; and the City Clerk be authorized to issue an
interest bearing warrant in the same amount. to Grande & Co., Inc. to cover this
bill. Motion carried.
Councilman Gellert, regarding LID 164, stated that the tank at the pump station
• on Talbot Road looks very old and rusty and is unsightly. The City Engineer
answered that the tank will be painted.
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Thomas Dinwiddie spoke to council about his feeling that there is a need for
protection of the individual from bureaucracy in this day and age, and that
there was a need for this in Edmonds. He was therefore requesting that the
position of Ombudsman be created, such as that used by European countries,
mainly Sweden. He added that lately some U.S. cities have adopted this. He
had studied the problem and was now presenting it for acceptance in Edmonds.
He suggested that Emergency Employment Act monies be used for funding this
office in place of one extra fireman. He stressed the need for insurance of
the public against arbitrary acts of the city departments, and feltthere was
indication of need in this city. Mr. Dinwiddie specifically mentioned the
horse and motorcycle problem in the park area behind his home. Council felt
that each city employee, including the elected officials, acts as ombudsmen
either individually or as a whol9,and hiring someone for $15,000 or $16,000..
per year for a 6 year period, plus an expense account, would not be wise nor
proper use of public funds. It was also felt that if an individual does not
receive satisfaction from any city department, he then has the right to come
before council with his problem, and that is the American way, with town
meeting privileges for every citizen. Mr. Dinwiddie said the Mayor was subject
to pressures and so is the CAO, but an Ombudsman is in office for a period of
6 years and can act effectively. Council agreed that the Ombudsman has no
particular power other than investigation and publicity, but still felt the
cost would be excessive and the old town hall policy is still the best system.
No action was taken on the matter.
• COUNCIL PARICIPATION
Councilman Nordquist said he had driven over 9th Avenue N. today and had a .._.
question for City Engineer Larson regarding his concern over the grade, es-
pecially in certain places where the slope is pronounced to the properties.
Councilman Kincaid reported on a letter received on September 28 regarding
city participation in the Snohomish County Comprehensive Health Planning
Council. He stated he felt it was a duplication of effort with the Snohomish
Health District, and based on the information he had at this time, he recom-
mended that the City not participate. Councilman Kincaid then moved, seconded
by Councilman Nordquist that the City of Edmonds not participate in the Sno-
homish County Comprehensive Health Planning Council at this time, and the
motion carried.
Councilman Nelson mentioned that he liked the new replacement of the public
address system in the council chambers.
CAO REPORT
In the absense of CAO Lawson, City Engineer Leif Larson reported that in the
residential areas where properties are developed, but the alleys are not put
through, some property owners are using part of the alley as a yard area. It
was a general policy that where the property has developed and part of the
alley maintained as a yard, this is allowed on a temporary basis. This matter
was referred to a work meeting for discussion.
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Claims for damages were acknowledged from G. John Doces & Doces Enterprises,
Inc.; from Dennis & Sandra.Rothaus; and from Dr. & Mrs. Arthur F. Stamey.
These were referred to the City Clerk for processing.
REQUEST FOR STREET VACATION - 10th AVENUE, SOUTH OF.MAIN
A request was received from Howard W. Hartness for vacation of the easterly
ten feet of 10th Ave., title of which would revert to Lot 1, Block 39. He
stated that this is necessary because of the.existinc house on Lots 3 and 4
encroaching on Lot 2 of the Lots 1 and 2 property, thus giving less than 60'
frontage front and rear.
City Planner Merlin Logan drew a diagram of the properties concerned on the
blackboard for council clarification, and City Engineer Leif Larson recom-
mended disapproval. Since Council had previously studied the request, it was
moved by Councilman Kincaid,, -seconded by Councilman Gellert to uphold the
recommendation of the City Engineer and disapprove the request for vacation.
Motion carried.
PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ELM VIEW ADDITION
The preliminary plat of Elm View Addition, 7.5 acre tract between 7th Ave.
and 8th Ave., south of Elm, was presented to council. City Planner Logan
showed a drawing of the plat, which had been approved by the Planning Commis-
sion. After study and discussion, it was moved by Councilman.Haines, seconded
by Councilman Slye to approve the preliminary plat of Elm View Addition,
subject to the City Engineer's recommendations. Motion carried.
TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT 224th AND HIGHWAY 99
City Engineer Larson reported to council that he was concerned with the inter-
section at 224th and Highway 99, recommended a temporary "fixed time" light
for an expenditure of :$5000, and this could later be used at 212th after the
approval is received for funding for a permanent installation at 224th.
Following discussion, it was moved by Councilman Slye, seconded by Councilman
Nordquist to authorize the purchase of a traffic signal for 224th and Highway
99 and enlist the financial aid of K-Mart on the project. Councilman Nelson
expressed concern with the left turn pattern at 224th off the highway. Motion
to purchase the signal carried.
There was no further business, and the meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
Irene Varney Mo n, City Clerk
November 2, 1971
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Harve H. Harrison, Mayor
Regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order by'Mayor Harve
Harrison with all councilmen present. Mayor Harrison mentioned that regardless
of the outcome of today's election, he was sure friendships had been strengthened
as a result of the competition.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the meeting of October 19 had been posted and mailed. It was noted
that under the hearing on Planning Commission Resolution 364, when Pete Scobby
asked if the proposed ordinance would effect the Edmonds High School sign, City
Planner Logan had answered that it would not, since that was not in a BN zone.
Councilman Nelson also stated that under the item on traffic signal at-224th
and Highway 99, he had expressed concern not only with the left turn pattern
at 224th off the highway, but the subsequent line-up of traffic between 76th and
Highway 99. There were no further omissions, and the minutes were approved as
corrected.
HEARING: (CONTINUED) ON PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 364
Hearing on Planning Commission Resolution 364 had been continued from October
19, recommending approval of a proposed amendment to the official zoning
ordinance, revising Section 12.13.160, Permitted Signs, Planning Commission
File ZO-8-71.
City Planner Merlin Logan stated that it seemed to be the consensus of council
that pole signs in BN zones be retained, and he summarized the council sugges-
tions for revisions,based on discussions at the work meetings of October 12th
and 26th.
Mr. Logan also reported that Mr. Ward Phillips had phoned to express his
opinion that services and products bring business, not signs. Councilman
Nelson asked how many non -conforming signs there were at present, and Mr.
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