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MOTION: good example about one or two years .ago. COUNCILMAN GOULD.MOVED,.SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN,
TO PLACE ON THE DECEMBER 4, 197.9 AGENDA A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE.CITY'S POLICY IN DISPOSING OF
CITY -OWNED, VACATED PROPERTIES. MOTION CARRIED.
Councilman Nordquist thanked,.Commun.ity Development Director John LaTourelle for his action regarding
the request.for additional lighting at..the.Anderson.Center.
Councilman Naughten noted.that..,a....lega.l opinion had been received..saying it is legal to turn in
driveways.
There was no'further business.to.come.before.the Council.,, and.the.meet.ing was adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
IRENE'VARNEY MORAN, CAty Clerk
October 30, 1979 - Work Meeting
HARVE..H. HA RISON, Mayor
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30.p.m. by Mayor Pro tem
Ray Gould in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds Civic Center. All present joined in the flag
salute. Mayor Harrison arrived shortly thereafter.
PRESENT STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison, Mayor Charles Dibble, M.A:A.
Mike Herb Fred Herzberg, Public Works Director
Bill Kasper John LaTourelle, Community Develop. Dir.
Katherine Allen Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
John Nordquist Marlo Foster, Police Chief.
Ray Gould Jack Weinz, Fire Chief.
Larry Naughten Jim Jessel, Parks & Recreation Manager
Tom Carns John Wallace, City Attorney
Wayne Tanaka, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
CONSENT AGENDA
MOTION: Items (D) and (E) were removed from the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE .THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. The approved
items on the Consent'Agenda included the following:
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of Minutes of October 23, 1979.
(C) Report on bids opened October 24, 1979 for repainting Five Corners Water
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Tank, and award of bid to Coastal Coatings in the amount of $.18,532.80,
including sales tax.
(F) Acceptance of Quit Claim -Deed and Correction Easement from John J. and
Edna Jones (File S-68-78).
(G) Setting date of November 20, 1979 for hearing on P.C. Resolution 634
recommending approval of proposed amendment to Official -Street Map
to extend Cyprus P1. (File ST-11-79)
(H) Authorization for Mayor to sign Building Use Agreement for Puget Sound
College of the Bible.
(I) Authorization for issuance of Taxicab License to George Loehr.
REQUEST FOR TAXI STAND [Item (D) on Consent Agenda]
The Plaza Cab Company had requested permission to install a taxi stand at the corner of Main St. and
5th Ave, at the curb area of Orner's Shoe Store. In previous years they had a taxi zone at this
location. Councilman Carns noted that this location is probably the most heavily impacted parking
area in the City, and he asked how many parking spaces it would take and whether there would be a
charge incurred. He was told two spaces would be taken and no charges -were anticipated. M.A.A.
Dibble said he had not encountered this where a fee was charged, that.providin_g the taxi stand was
in the nature of a public service. Councilman Nordquist..commented that since the corner parks have
been installed it is difficult to pull out of that parking location, and he suggested the taxi stand
be located directly around the corner, on 5th Ave., in front of the jewelry store. Police Chief 1 -
Marlo Foster agreed that would be a better location. After further discussion, COUNCILMAN CARNS
MOTION:
MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM PLAZA CAB FOR A TAXI STAND, BUT
THAT IT BE LOCATED ON 5TH AVE. IN FRONT OF THE JEWELRY -STORE.. MOTION CARRIED.
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WATER LINE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH CITY OF LYNNWOOD [Item (E) on Consent Agenda]
Councilman Herb noted that the contract called for its being accepted within 30 days and it was
signed by the City of Lynnwood in February 1979, so to accept it tonight would not make it
binding. City Attorney John Wallace agreed, and said it should be initialled by the City of
Lynnwood, but the City Staff could see that it is initialled by Lynnwood. COUNCILMAN HERB
MOTION: MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE ITEM (E) ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION
CARRIED.
MAYOR
Mayor Harrison advised that an application for a liquor permit had come.in from First Serve
Raquetball Cafe for consumption of beer and wine on the premises. The cafe is intended for the
use of the club members but will be open to the public also. The Police Chief had investigated
and recommended approval, noting that there are no schools or churches in the immediate area
and that the adjacent 7-11 Store sells beer and wine for consumption off premises. COUNCILMAN
MOTION: CARNS MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO DISAPPROVE THE LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATION BY
Withdrawn FIRST SERVE RACQUETBALL CAFE. Councilman Carns said this club had asked for a permit as a
private club, but they were now opening their business to the public, and this was in a residen-
tial neighborhood with only three businesses --a gas station, the 7-11 Store, and this club. He
felt this -would be like having a tavern in a residential neighborhood. Councilman Nordquist
felt this was a "backdoor" approach for this because they had not originally applied for a
restaurant, but.for a racquetball club. He said a restaurant has certain parking requirements
and they would be superimposing additional parking for the restaurant. He had observed that
this is a well -used facility and that some South County businesses were sending their people
there at noon. He felt that street would not accommodate the additional parking. It was
suggested that the people in the neighborhood be given an opportunity to express their views in •
MOTION: this matter. THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WERE THEN WITHDRAWN'. COUNCILMAN CARNS THEN MOVED,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HERB, THAT THE QUESTION OF APPROVING A LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THE FIRST
SERVE RACQUETBALL CAFE BE SCHEDULED.FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 20, 1979. MOTION CARRIED.
MOTION: COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, THAT THE MAYOR BE AUTHORIZED
TO RETURN THE APPLICATION TO THE LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD, ADVISING THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE A
PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION NOVEMBER 20, 1979. MOTION CARRIED. Councilman Herb suggested
that`'the Staff post a notice in the neighborhood so the residents would_be aware of the hearing.
Mayor Harrison said he would like to appoint Ann McGee to the Board of Adjustment to fill the
vacancy left by Alice Stole. Mrs. McGee was interviewed by the Council prior to this meeting.
COUNCILMAN CARNS MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO CONFIRM THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF
ANN McGEE TO POSITION 7 ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, TERM TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 31, 1982. MOTION
CARRIED. Councilman Nordquist commented that the Council had conducted many interviews in the
past, but this lady stood out by her perceptiveness from the beginning of her interview.
Mayor Harrison introduced Harry Nilson, the Mayor of Woodway, who wished to discuss the fire
protection contract between the two cities. Mr. Nilson noted that the contract provided last
year that Woodway pay Edmonds $31,179 for fire protection services, but because the rate is
based on the assessed valuation and that has doubled this year, the charge for 1980 will be
$59,983. He felt that when the contract was drafted nobody could have foreseen that the
assessed valuation would double in one year, and he asked for some relief, suggesting that the
contract amount be increased by the percentage of increase in the Edmonds Fire Department's
budget. Mayor Harrison commented that in 1976 Edmonds had overlooked including the cost of
living increase in the contract, and when this was brought to Woodway's attention Edmonds was
told it was too late as the 90-day period in which changes could be made had expired. The same
thing happened in the following years, and now Mayor Harrison felt it would only be right that
Edmonds include the increase in cost of living from 1976 until this year. Councilman Carns
suggested that -it was not necessary to make the decision immediately, and that the Council
MOTION:
should see the figures and what it costs to serve Woodway. COUNCILMAN CARNS MOVED, SECONDED BY
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COUNCILMAN HERB, THAT THE STAFF BE REQUESTED TO FURNISH FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING THE COSTS OF
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SERVING WOODWAY FOR FIRE PROTECTION AND AID CAR SERVICES. MOTION CARRIED. It was requested
that copies of the agreement and the amounts of the charges for the last three years be furnished
the Council. Following this action it was noted that the Fire Department budget will be dis-
MOTION:
cussed on November 8 so it may be better to consider this contract the following week. HAVING
VOTING ON THE PREVAILING SIDE, COUNCILWOMAN-ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, TO
RECONSIDER THE PREVIOUS MOTION. MOTION CARRIED, WITH COUNCILMAN CARNS VOTING NO. COUNCILWOMAN
ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO SCHEDULE THE DISCUSSION OF THE WOODWAY FIRE
PROTECTION CONTRACT ON NOVEMBER 13, 1979. MOTION CARRIED.
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBILITY OF ALTERNATES TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
Mayor Harrison stated that Chapter 18, Laws of'Washington 1979, First Extraordinary Session,
Section 33, provides that if a member of a planning agency has a.conflict of interest or
appearance of fairness problem with respect to a matter pending before that agency and he
disqualifies himself, then the appointing authority that appoints the members of that planning
agency may appoint another person to serve as'an alternate for that particular matter. Further,
Mayor Harrison stated that there did not appear to be any reason why the appointing authority
could not appoint -several alternates in advance to serve if there is a conflict, and he had
several nominees if the Council wished to have alternates for the Planning Commission. Council-
man Carns responded that it is not often that there is a conflict of interest except on the
Board of Adjustment, and occasionally on the ADB, and that it takes a period of time before a
person can be proficient on a board,.and.to.have someone just on a rare occasion sit in on one
issue would be harmful. Councilman Naugiiten said he hardly could remember, when he -was on the
Planning Commission, anyone's ever stepping down for conflict of interest, and if it did happen
there was still a quorum. 'It was noted'that.the issue of alternates had arisen, not because of
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conflicts of interest on the Planning Commission, but because some of the members were in favor of
alternates.--or-.increase in the number of members to relieve them from the pressure of constant
attendance, and this authority did not prov.ide for alternates except for conflict of interest or
appearance of fairness problems:. It was further noted'that.thi hardly seemed necessary with the
possibility of the adoption of a.Hearing Examiner process in the.fairly near future, and if some of
the boards were dissolved some.of those people may be'good candidates for alternates if.they can be
used. There was no further discussion.
REPORT.FROM.POLICE CHIEF ON QUEST.ION..OF.RESIDENT. PARKING PERMITS
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Police Chief Marlo Foster discussed the proposed ordinance,which would authorize residential parking
permits to persons residing in.zones.wh.ich have parking restrictions, and also would authorize
parking permits for their visitors...He felt fees should pay..for..the costs of processing and visitor's
permits should be limited. Regarding.fees, he'recommended:,.residential permit fees of $10 for the
first vehicle, $25.for the second.,.and.$50.for the third and subsequent vehicles. He recommended
visitor's permi.ts be limited to ,two and the fee be $5 per .permit. He noted that permits should be
displayed in -the lower, right-hand corner of the vehicle's rear window, inasmuch as the City's
parking checkers are on foot. Mayor.Har,rison commented that.his home happens to be in an area that
has restricted.parking, and he sa.i.d he would welcome this sort of provision as it is the only way he
could park over four hours in front of:..his home, and he would pay the $10 in order not to have to
worry about the four-hour limit. Councilman Naughten said he could not go along with the recommended
fees. 'He thought'$10 should be the maximum. Neither could he accept.the requirement that a person
come down to the Civic Center to fill out a form if he were going to have visitors. Councilman
Carns felt the;fees for extra cars should be higher, and.Chief Foster noted that there could be a
number,of commercial vehicles (owned,by residents) parking on the street, and the higher fees
were intended for such. Councilman.Nordquist suggested that a visitor's card be issued for each
residential permit issued. Councilman Carns felt the signs would have to be changed to indicate
parking was allowed by permit, or otherwise people would see parked cars and think the,parkinc
restrictions were not enforced, and.they also would park there. COUNCILMAN HERB MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, TO APPROVE THE.CONCEPT OF ISSUING RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS AS OUTLINED IN THE
OCTOBER 24, 1979 REPORT FROM CHIEF FOSTER.AND AS DESCRIBED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AND THAT THIS
BE REVIEWED IN SIX MONTHS. Councilman Gould felt this would.create new problems, while accommodating
only 26 single-family.homes.,in the.BC zone.and those people'on Sunset. .He did not think the.rq
should be any change*66 Sunset'but.he felt the parking permit.may work for those residences in the
BC zone. Councilman Carns did not think parking permits should be allowed if there is parking space
on the property, and he noted that.the proposed ordinance would not change the parking on the east
side of Sunset, only on the west side.where there are restrictions.. THE MOTION CARRIED. Council-
woman Allen noted that if the fees are left too low the commercial.areas at the south end of Sunset
may find it profitable to take advantage of low-cost parking, but she was told.the permits would be
available to residents only. COUNCILMAN..CARNS MOVED,.SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, TO ADOPT
ORDINANCE 2101, INSERTING IN SECTION 8.50.030(D) THE FEES OF $10FOR THE FIRST VEHICLE, $25 FOR THE
SECOND VEHICLE, AND $50 FOR THE.THIRD AND EACH SUBSEQUENT VEHICLE; AND INSERTING IN SECTION 8.50.060
THAT THE CLERK MAY ISSUE UP TO FOUR VISITOR PERMITS TO A PERMIT -HOLDER, VALID FOR UP TO SEVEN DAYS,
AND THE FEES FOR VISITOR PERMITS SHALL.,.BE.$5 PER PERMIT. COUNCIL MEMBERS CARNS AND ALLEN VOTED YES
ON THE MOTION, -AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED NO. A ROLL,CALL VOTE WAS NOT TAKEN. MOTION FAILED.
COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN THEN MOVED,. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD,..TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE LIMITING
RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS TO RESIDENTS ONLY, AT A COST OF $10.PER CAR, AND ALLOWING THE CITY CLERK
TO ISSUE UP TO TWO VISITOR PERMITS TO A:PERMIT HOLDER,.VALID UP TO.ONE YEAR, AND AT A FEE OF $5
EACH. A ROLL CALL VOTE WAS TAKEN, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS NAUGHTEN, GOULD, NORDQUIST AND HERB VOTING
YES, AND WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS KASPER,.ALLEN, AND CARNS VOTING NO. MOTION.CARRIED. COUNCILMAN
NAUGHTEN THEN MOVED,,SECONDED�BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, THAT A RESIDENT MAY BE ISSUED RESIDENTIAL PERMITS
FOR A MAXIMUM OF.THREE VEHICL'ES,. AND.A RESIDENT MAY BE ISSUED.A MAXIMUM OF TWO VISITOR-PERMITS;*AND
BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CHANGES MADE TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY BE INSTRUCTED
TO DRAFT A NEW ORDINANCE INCORPORATING ALL OF THE CHANGES MADE.BY-.THE COUNCIL. MOTION CARRIED, WITH
COUNCILMAN CARNS'VOTING NO.
PRESENTATION ON SURFACE WATER.MANAGEMENT.ANALYSIS
Tom Murdoch of the Snohomish County -Planning Department gave the presentation on stormwater runoff,
the issues and options, throughout Snohomish County, illustrating the various drainage basin areas
into which the County had been drawn. The City has been participating in the planning through a
Technical -Advisory Committee of the Sub -Regional Council of the Puget Sound Council of Governments.
Two public hearings had been held, with a third scheduled for.December 6, 1979, and at that hearing
Mr. Murdoch said several decisions.will be made, including having a Snohomish County Metro or County-
wide drainage utility. He said they expect to select and.design a surface water management organization
by next March.; He suggested the City make its desires known to the Sub -Regional Council at the
December public hearing. Public,Works Director Fred Herzberg said the City is aware of most of its
own problems, and he felt if the City gets involved with the County then the City's resources will
be used elsewhere. He supported coordinated planning by al.l jurisdictions which share a drainage
basin. Councilwoman Allen. who attended the last hearing on.this, felt Edmonds has a responsibility
to the County as a whole and that the County needs the support -of the southwest portion of the
County as this is where the major portion of the population.is.. Mr. Herzberg added that this is
where all the money is, too, but the problems are not here. Councilman Herb felt that no single
jurisdiction would want to participate county -wide. Mr. Murdoch.responded that everything he had
been discussiong had been studied for the last ten years, but the lack of money had caused no action.
He noted that Bellevue and Tacoma both have drainage utilities, and the average cost is about $1.50
per household per month. Mayor Harrison commented that the.City of Edmonds is likely to clear up
its own problems in short order, but if it were to join the County it may take years. Councilman
Gould said -the City had'to solve its.local water drainage problems and he felt it could be done in-
house, but he.noted that part.of the City .is on the other side of the crest of the hill draining to
the east., so the City has to consider those downstream from it.. He felt Edmonds should.be a party
to the.Co.unty organization, but.. sti.1l.. proceed with solving, i.ts. i.n-house problems itself, deciding
later to what degree to participate with the County. Councilman Carns felt this would be another
MOTION: layer of government, and he objected to that. After further discussion, COUNCILMAN GOULD MOVED,
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SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN HERB, TO REVIEW THIS TOPIC AND ESTABLISH A POSITION STATEMENT ON NOVEMBER 27,
1979, THAT STATEMENT TO BE TAKEN BY COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLEN AND HERB.TO THE DECEMBER 6 PUBLIC
HEARING. MOTION CARRIED. Councilman Gould suggested that Council members Allen and Herb work
with Mr. Herzberg to put together a presentat ion for the November 27 meeting. Councilman Herb
advised the Council that he .has had difficulty attending all of,these meetings but he had noted
when he did attend that Councilwoman'Allen was doing an outstanding job representing the City
of Edmonds. Councilwoman Allen. -added that she felt that, for Edmonds, probably the basin
approach would be far better, but she was concerned about the City's responsibility to the
County. She thought the support of the southwest portion of the County could make them go or
lack of support could cause them to..fail. She agreed with Councilman Carns that it would.be
another layer of government, and that disturbed her also.
COUNCIL
Councilman Gould said he had been hearing from citizens regarding .the.new traffic light at
196th and Olympic View Dr. He had thought it was going to be a flashing yellow light except
when children were there and then -it would be button -actuated. Public Works Director Fred
Herzberg responded that the controller they were able to get cannot do that, and they are
trying to get the kind that will.
Councilman Carns advised that he will be absent November 13 and 27.
Mayor Harrison asked the Council to authorize Mayor Pro tem Gould .to sign additional copies of
the Lynnwood Sewer Diversion Study Agreement, as he did not wish to sign them. COUNCILWOMAN
MOTION: ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -HERB, THAT MAYOR PRO TEM RAY GOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN
THE ADDITIONAL COPIES OF THE LYNNWOOD SEWER DIVERSION STUDY AGREEMENT. MOTION CARRIED.
There was no further business to come before the Council, and the meeting was adjourned at is
9:40 p.m.
IRENE VARNEY MORAN, Uty Clerk HARVE H. HARRISON, Mayor
November 6, 1979
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Mayor Harve
Harrison in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds -Civic Center. All present joined in the flag
salute.
PRESENT STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison,.Mayor Charles Dibble, M.A.A.
Mike Herb Fred Herzberg, Public Works Director
Bill Kasper John LaTourelle, Community Development Director
Katherine Allen Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
John Nordquist Marlo Foster, Police Chief •
Ray Gould Jack Weinz, Fire Chief
Tom Carns Jim Adams, City Engineer
Larry Naughten Bob Franklin, Technical Studies Engineer
Mary Lou Block, Acting Planning Div. Mgr.
John Wallace, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
CONSENT AGENDA
Items (B) and (C) were removed from the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMAN-CARNS MOVED, SECONDED BY '
MOTION: COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. The approved
items on the Consent Agenda included the following:
(A) Roll call.
(D) Authorization to institute suit to collect damages re Brackett's Landing
Fishing Pier.
(E) Authorization to continue to -November 20, 1979 hearing on appeal from
ADB decision re signs Five Corners Cleaners/Money Savers Pharmacy.
(F) Authorization*to waive August .15.notification date to increase cost of
housing prisoners in 1980 at Snohomish County Jail.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:OF OCTOBER 30, 1979 [Item (B) on Consent Agenda]
Councilman Gould noted that on page 3.of the -Minutes, the third line from the bottom, the word
"change" should have been "charge," the sentence reading: "He (Gould) did not think there should be