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19801113 City Council Minutes153 • November 10, 1980 - continued for consideration of rezoning. to OS,. Councilman Naughten explained to him.that he was looking at the sale of property because of.-the,City's budget needs. Councilman Gould said he did not think all the surplus property should,be sold, and a good point' 'had been raised by Mr. Johnson. He said the Council is obligated to look at.its Policy Plan. He suggested some of the properties considered to be sold should be those that -would not satisfy the open space,situation but would provide :the funds needed. He suggested the first.four on the list be considered. Appraisals will be sought on those properties. There was no further business to come before the Council, -and the meeting adjourned at 11:15 p.m. U - IRENE VARNEY MORAN, My Clerk. HARVE H. HARRISON, Mayor November 13, 1980 - Special Meeting A special meeting of the:.Edmonds.City Council was called to order at 9:50 p.m..by Councilman Larry Naughten in the Council Chambers of'the Edmonds Civic Center.. All present joined in the flag salute. • PRESENT ABSENT STAFF PRESENT Larry Naughten Harve Harrison, Mayorl Fred Herzberg, Public Works Dir. Bill Kasper Jo -Anne Jaech Jim Adams, City Engineer Katherine Allen, John Nordquist Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk Ray Gould Paul Christensen, John Wallace, City Attorney Mary Goetz Student Rep. Mark Eames; City Attorney Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk.' This special meeting was called by Council members.Nordquist, Goetz, and Naughten to review the action taken at the November 10, 1980 meeting regarding SR 524. Public Works Director Fred Herzberg reviewed the SR 524 improvement, explaining the design parameters approved by the City Council on February 19, 1980, following which the discussion was opened to the public. Natalie Shippen, 1022 Euclid, said she did not understand the threat of taking out the traffic light for the children's crossing as.she.would think safety ofchildren would be one of the Department of Transportation's responsibilities, and she noted they.had installed a light at.Madrona•Jr. High. Councilwoman Goetz responded'.that it took about two years and a lot of hard work to get that one, and there also had been a serious accident there. She expressed appreciation to Mr. Herzberg for his review. She said she had asked him to make it simple because she had not beenon-the Council last February when the Council decided on this, and it had been very confusing to_ her. She was. now in favor of the plan as proposedbecause she felt in any other form it would be dangerous. She also noted that'196th would be.a direct route to her home but she has come to use alternate routes and she thought other people also would do so. Roger-Hertrich, 1020 Puget Dr.., asked where the point of measurement- was on the.180' of taper distance, and.Mr. Herzberg indicated that. Mr. Hertrich said he.had stepped it off -to be.97.1,-so there would be approximately 200` between the two three -lane areas which he favored (three lanes tapering to two • lanes and back to three lanes), not 100' as the presentation had indicated. He.also noted that the Olympic PTA wanted the two-lane concept and the traffic light to be pedestrian actuated only. Mr. Herzberg discussed the measurements, saying the area between the two three -lane sections would be insignificant, and he maintained it would be a dangerous configuration. Lou Oskowski, 710 Melody Lane, said he travels this route.daily and it is dangerous and he did not understand why the Council did not want to go forward with the previously approved improvement. Councilman Naughten explained that some of the people living in the. -area felt the two-lane configuration would be safer than three lanes because it would have a tunnel or -choking effect on traffic coming down the hill. Mr. Oskowski said it appeared to him that three lanes were always safer than two. John Osterhaug, 1008 9th Ave. N.,said he has a daughter who crosses there and he would like it two lanes for her safety. He said cars use the third lane as a passing lane and traffic has increased since the improvement up the hill. He felt the tunneling effect would slow down`the-traffic. Councilwoman Goetz observed that the Police Department should do some increased enforcement at that location. Steve:Callender, 820 Hindley Lane, said when he heard the Council was going to .have this meeting he thought he would find out how.people felt about it and whether there was a silent majority not being heard. He'said he had been'on the telephone all afternoon and the people he spoke with substantially supported the project although they understood the problems on Puget Dr.. and were concerned for all the -safety problems. Mr. Callender said he had testified many times about -how difficult it is to get onto 9th Ave. from Hindley Lane. Also, he said Hindley Lane also has problems in that it is 6'- 8' lower than'9th,and it is very difficult for a low powered car to get up that incline and onto 9th Ave. He felt the situation.,was-that one person's benefit.was.being weighed against a lot of others' and he pointed out that the Council did decide on this once. He also noted that Hindley does not line up on either side of 9th Ave. which adds.to the problems. He discussed some of the traffic problems they have. He had a list of names of people in the area who supported the project as it was approved previously. He noted that most of the people to whom he had talked were not aware of 154 November 13, 1980 - continued • the improvement or they thought it was going as previously approved. Ann Spivey, 300 Caspers, said she.crosses the street Mr. Callender was speaking -of each day and she thought the problem was that most -of, -the cars go over the speed limit. Lee Johnson,.722 Hindley Lane,:asked.what the City's approach would be 'regarding the creek going down Hindley Lane if this.project.did not go forward. Mr. Herzberg.responded that it would cost somebody $20;000 to correct that -..problem and that had not been addressed. Mr. Johnson said it already had.cost him .$4,000 to.repair.his portion of the:creek on Hindley Lane and most of the water came from 9th Ave. and went through his yard. He had spoken with his neighbors, Mr. Bradley and Mr. Whitten, and -he expressed their support of the project. Wayne Jones,..1590 9th Ave. N., said he thought this project was underway.and he had supported.,.it. He said the area at 9th and 196th is extremely dangerous and he -had seen cars crostways•on 196th because they missed the turn at Hindley. Wes Brock, the southwest corner. of 9th and Hindley, said that at the last meeting this he thought it was being finalized and the City was taking steps to correct he attended on the drainage. He said storm water over his proper.ty.had tripled because of.all the development in the area and about 1/3 of the frontage of his property is unusable because of the flood water. He said it would cost him approximately $15,000 to channel the water that does not originate from his property. He questioned the adequacy of the.plan. Mr. Herzberg replied that they are looking at his problem.as part of another program and they hope to start work next spring or summer. Art Jones, 8.43 Hindley, said he had thought this was settled until Mr. Callender called him. He said he could stand witness to.the problem of getting on and.off Hindley Lane as described by Mr. Callender, and he supported having sidewalks.and improvements. • Peggy Jones,•843 Hindley, said when her children go to the store or they walk to church it is dangerous to walk.there. She wanted sidewalks and three.lanes instead of two. Harold Schnarre, 1028 Puget Dr., asked.whether this improvement would resolve the problem at Hindley Lane. Mr. Herzberg.explained-what would be accomplished.and that it would resolve the problem. Laura Hall, 1140 Edmonds St., asked whether the City could -get the State to build up the roadways, noting that at the top of the hill at 88th there is still a dip and you go over the hill blind. Mr. Herzberg responded that the designers had struggled at great length with that portion of the improve- ment because there are a lot of conflicting grades there. The .public portion of the hearing was then closed. Councilwoman Allen said she had.not changed her mind about the two lanes, and she noted that'Mr. Hertrich's point about increasing the width by a few feet between Olympic and Olympic View appeared to have disappeared in the shuffle. She said Councilman.Kasper had suggested widening that to 28' instead of 24' and she looked at tha.t.as.a reasonable. compromise. Councilman Kasper said the Council had passed on the design.of everything in February but when the plans came back in October they showed 20' and 27',' totaling.47'--not the 45' the Council had approved -- and the Council was upset by that,.and'in addition, 12' slope.eas.ements were shown on the south side. He noted that,the intent of his.motion at -the .last meeting.was that the Council would not go any further than they agreed to.in February;,and then the DOT came back and said the 47' was a mistake and should have been 45'-but the 12' on the slopes was firm, and the Council was not comfortable with that. He said he did not know the solution. He said'in the past week he had talked with Mr. Hertrich many times, and with the City Engineer, and with the.State, and in those talks he did not ask them what they thought, but -he asked them questions which.he.coul.d-not reconcile, and then he walked the street and in walking that .property he.decided it differed from that down below because the driveway locations are different and the cars will be coming down a hill out of an "S" curve. • He noted that there is a left turn going south.at Olympic View Dr. and an island is needed for pedestrians getting across, and -the distance in there is very short -as is the sight line. He thought the "chicken" game would.move from Hindley Lane to the apartment house, so in light of all that, he felt he could not support two.lanes at this time --which was contrary to his last motion on the subject. -He also felt the road should not be built with a 12'-.slope easement, that it was unjustified. He thought a 5' slope easement.with rockery should be put -in very easily at not that much cost. Mr. Herzberg.suggested that perhaps that could be discussed on an individual basis, and perhaps the City could fund the rockery if,the individual property owners wanted it. Councilman Naughten said that when Mr. Hertrich brought this up after it was all settled he thought Mr. Hertrich had some good points. Now, however, in looking at the whole project --including side- walks, the traffic signal, etc.--he.would have to vote for the project, especially when looking at the future as well'as the present. Councilman Gould,said what really is .needed is the overpass for the children. He said he had been stonewalling.this, trying to get the State to budge, but.they would not. He did not think there was anything more he could do. He said the City would lose a lot if it stopped the project, and he thought.they"should`go with it'as.proposed by the State. He felt the Council should try to find some way to get the overpass in the future, and he thought.eventually.there may be a stop light...... there that actually would make the traffic stop. He wondered -if the State would reconsider the'12' slope easement and reassess the cost if the City agreed to the.three lanes. Councilman Kasper said he had spoken to Mr. Klasell and he seemed to think that if it would fit into the budget they would do it. Councilman Kasper also said that if the City did approve it, he felt the design at the grocery store should be left to the City. -15o November.13, 1980 - continued 1 • Councilwoman Allen was.still opposed. She felt the State could give a little and cut the lanes down and get the whole thing in 40'. Councilman Gould said he had asked the Mayor to call State Representa- ti ve Ga:ry,.Nel son � and' State. Senator Sue Gould to ask` them' to talk to Mr. Z.i rkl e, and he inquired whether that fad, been done, but.no one' present Knew. COUNCILMAN" KASPER THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, THAT THE PROJECT BE BUILT AS PROPOSED BY THE ADMINISTRATION (BEING THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF.EDMO14DS AND THE STATE, HIGHWAY. DEPARTMENT) WITH THE LIMITATIONS THAT ALL STEPS WILL -BE MADE TO LIMIT THE SLOPE EASEMENTS.TO BE INSIDE 5' ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PUGET LANE UNLESS OTHERWISE PREFERRED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT WILL BE LEFT UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'IN THE SETTLEMENT OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION; THAT THERE ONLY BE A LEFT'TURN TO OLYMPIC AVE. SOUTHBOUND OFF THE HILL WHEN GOINGAEST ON SR 524, WITH NO LEFT TURN NORTHBOUND.FROM SR 524 TO OLYMPIC AVE. BECAUSE IT APPEARS THERE SHOULD BE A FOOT CROSSING ISLAND THERE AND IF YOU HAVE AN ISLAND YOU CANNOT HAVE A TURNING LANE; AND THAT THE TRAFFIC CONFIGURATION BETWEEN THE GAS,STATION AND THE STORE BE LEFT.TO THE CITY ENGINEERING'DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNCIL PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE TO BRING BEFORE THE COUNCIL` OR -FURTHER STUOY..' TH[E MOTION CARRIED, WITH COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN VOTING NO. COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY.000NCILWOMAN GOETZ, TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR PHASE II OF THE SR 524 IMPROVEMENT. MOTION CARRIED, WITH COUNCILWOMAN.ALLEN VOTING NO. There was no further business to.come before the Council, and the meeting adjourned at 11:30 p.m. 'IRENE VARNEY MORAN, CiV Clerk November 18, 1980 RRY GHT ounciImember The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 8:05 p.m, by Mayor Harve Harrison in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds Civic Center. All present joined in the flag salute. PRESENT, Harve Harrison, Mayor Ray Gould Paul Christensen, Student Rep. Jo -Anne Jaech Mary Goetz Katherine Allen Larry Naughten Bill Kasper John Nordquist STAFF PRESENT Charles Dibble, M.A.A. Fred Herzberg, Public Works Director John LaTourelle, Community Development Director Mary Lou Block, Planning Division Manager Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk Art Housler, Finance Director Marlo Foster, Police Chief Jack Weinz, Fire Chief Jim Jessel, Parks & Recreation Director John Wallace, City Attorney Mark Eames, City Attorney Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk CONSENT AGENDA COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN MOVED,.SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION • CARRIED. The approved items on the Consent Agenda included the following: (A) Roll call. (B) Approval of Minutes.of November 10, 1980. MAYOR Mayor*Harrison advised that Vic Schoch's term on the Library Board would be expiring December 31, 1980, and he had filled the last two years of a vacated position. Mayor Harrison proposed that he be appointed to a full term. COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN, TO CONFIRM THE MAYOR'S REAPPOINTMENT OF VIC SCHOCH TO POSITION 2 ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, TERM TO EXPIRE DECEMBER.31, 1985. MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Harrison proposed appointing,John Byrd to the Hearing Examiner Position. ..Mr. Byrd is a lawyer, retired from the Coast Guard, and has served on the Board of Adjustment for 2 '112 years. His schedule is flexible and Mayor Harrison did not feel there would be any conflicts of interest,'and he asked for confirmation of the appointment. Councilwoman Allen stated that the Council had interviewed Mr. Byrd prior to this evening's Council meeting and they felt there are some gaps in his experience in planning and land use regulations. THEREFORE, COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, THAT THE COUNCIL NOT CONFIRM THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF JOHN BYRD TO THE HEARING EXAMINER POSITION. A ROLL CALL VOTE WAS TAKEN ON THE MOTION, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS GOULD, JAECH, GOETZ, ALLEN, NAUGHTEN, AND KASPER VOTING YES, AND WITH COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST VOTING NO. MOTION CARRIED. COUNCIL Counccilman'Gould noted that a letter had been received from Keith Eggen, State Aid Engineer, Department of Transportation, regarding Certification Acceptance Procedures, which Councilman Gould could not understand. Public Works.Director-Fred Herzberg responded that he is hesitant to continue under this procedure and, in fact, had not asked for full qualification on it and had decided not to