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To: Jennifer Lambert
City of Edmondsg°I
Engineering Division
425. 771.0220
www.edmondswa.gov
Project Name: Swerk Building Permit for Single Family Residence
Application Number: BLD20161004
Review Completion Date: 4 November 2016
Project Address: 18816 Olympic View Dr., Edmonds, WA 98026
The following pages are the responses to the Swerk Building Permit review comments
of 4 November 2016. City comments are presented with numbering as provided in the
review letter but are prefaced by the letter "C".
Responses follow each comment and are numbered to match the response but are
prefaced by the letter "R".
Supplemental images or graphics are provided and are appended to the letter
responses and noted by figure numbers that include comment number.
Respectfully,
Paolo Musante, MS, PE
360-653-2700
aolocedarcomm,com
,21 -Nov z016
18820 3rd Ave NE - Arlington, WA. 98223 (360) 652-9727 Fax (360) 652-5374
Responses to Review Comments
GENERAL
Cl) Please revise the title "Stormwater management site plan" to "Stormwater/utility site plan".
R1. Plan has been retitled.
C2) Clearly distinguish what will be installed with this project and what is currently installed (i.e.
different line types, bolding, etc.).
R2. All existing entities were/are drawn with grey color and various format of dashed lines. All
labels for existing entities was/are presented with italics style of font. Legend has been
expanded to include all standardized as displayed line styles.
C3) The plans do not scale as stated. Please revise the plans accordingly.
Provided PDF file of plan set provided was correctly scaled. Steps taken to ensure re -submittal
plan is plotted correctly at 1:1 plot scale.
General Notes
Cl) Note #13 — Please revise the note to include that all pipe shall have a minimum of 2' of
cover under drivable surfaces.
R1. Note has been revised.
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Cl) Note #1 — Please change `street use' to 'right-of-way permit'.
R1. Note has been revised.
C2) Add the following note —'If rim to invert exceeds 5' (ft.) a type II manhole must be installed.'
R2. Note has been added.
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WATER
Cl) It appears that a fire sprinkler system is required for this property. The applicant will be
required to pay for the new tap on the main and the new meter. This fee is $2970.00.
1. To be addressedr (I Ben Swerk understand that this is required)
a. Please add a note that a 1" meter is to be installed.
R1a. Note has been added.
C1 b. Please show a 1-1/2" line to be installed from the back of the meter to the house (as
required for a combination fire and domestic service line).
Rib. Note has been added.
C1 c. Please label the pipe material and note tracer wire to be installed on the water service line.
R1. Notes added to pipe label.
C2) Show that there is a minimum of 3' of horizontal separation between the water and the dry
utilities (i.e. power, phone, gas, cable, etc.).
R2. Separation note added.
C3) Please keep in mind that there is a requirement that there is a minimum of 10' of horizontal
separation between the water and the sewer lines.
R3. Separation note added.
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SEWER
Cl) Please label the sewer easement as private.
R1. The text "Private' added to label.
C2) Show a cleanout at the edge of easement and within 2' of the structure.
R2. Cleanouts & labeling added.
C3) Please show the invert elevations at the stub and the house so that slope (minimum of 2%)
and coverage (minimum 2') can be verified. If the slope of the pipe exceeds 20% the pipe will
need to be anchored.
R3. Invert elevations added.
C4) Label the pipe material and size.
R4. Labeled new sewer pipe size and material.
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STORM
Cl) There appears to be inconsistencies between the Civils and the Landscape Plan regarding
impervious areas.
Changes have been coordinated for all sheets.
C1 a. What is the material for the play area?
R1a. Material description added to Sheet C1
C1 b. If there are any areas where crushed rock can be driven on, the area will be considered
imperious.
Rib. Although not used for Swerk permit, recognize that crushed rock on properly prepared
subsurface (geogrid generally also used) can function as porous pavement as pore volume in
bed can be sized to meet reservoir needs for full infiltration. We label these as private porous
gravel driveways or parking, so please use caution with blanket definitions.
C1 c. The patio (stamped concrete) to the west of the garage is not shown on the Civils.
Ric. Patio area and surfacing label has been added to plan.
C1 d. Please revise the plans to be consistent and revise the imperious surface calculations
accordingly.
Rid. All storm plan data and drainage calculations have been updated to the finalized layout,
C2) Show where the footing drains will discharge to. If the footing drains are to discharge to the
onsite stormwater management system, please address the allowance for the footing drains in
the design calculations.
R2. The downspout / footing drain note has been expanded to explicitly specify the connection
to infiltration facility. Realize that by use of the HSPF model analysis via the WWHM software
interface, all surface and interflow waters intercepted by any footing and/or wall drains are
automatically a component of the hydrologic analysis, thus are addressed. Only when true
aquifer or'groundwater' is intercepted by a footing drain is additional and more complicated
modeling required.
C3) All pipes shall discharge to a catch basin prior to discharge to any stormwater management
facilities. Please revise the plans accordingly.
R3. Per the plans, other than footing, which do not need/require CB interception, all yard drain
pipes from roof and driveway have yard catch basins with filters specified prior to entry to the
infiltration facility.
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C4) Show the overflow path for the proposed stormwater management facility and clearly
indicate/show that it will not negatively impact downstream properties.
R4. An probable flow line path for overflow release has been added to plans. Overflow is
addressed in the report which demonstrates no negative impacts per code.
C5) Please provide a cross section detail of the driveway between lot 1 and lot 2's driveway so
that it is clear how the berm will be constructed to prevent runoff from lot 1 enter the stormwater
management system for lot 2. If it is not possible to prevent the runoff, the system could be
designed to account for the additional impervious area.
R5. An extrinsic berm detail is provided. The berm was requested per the earlier city comments
to prevent additional runoff to new driveway and a 'berm' exists there now. Meticulous
analysis shows that about of 160-sf of currently compacted soil will be replaced with pavement
on Lot-1 that this berm is intended to re -direct the runoff from. Technically, the berm is not
required as this flow should be considered existing upstream bypass flow. Redirected runoff
ultimately will be picked up by wall drains and routed to the proposed drywell. [***]
6) Please show the side sewer on the segmental wall detail. The detail should show that there is
no point loading on the sewer pipe.
R6. Sanitary sewer protective sleeve added to detail.
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The following comments are from the City of Edmonds stormwater consultant.
Cl) The letter report (7/22/16) states that a treatment facility must be provided since the total
impervious area exceeds the 5,000 sf threshold; however, the total pollution -generating
impervious surface (PGIS) does not exceed the 5,000 sf threshold for Small Site Minimum
Requirement #6, so treatment is not required.
R1. A welcome comment. A common misinterpretation for MR#6 is that if project exceeds
5,000-sf impervious, a treatment BMP or facility is required, if PGIS is part of total, thus
treatment was included. This also addressed potential request by city to include and account
for entire driveway area from road.
Treatment facility removed.
C2) The letter report (7/22/16) and plan set (8/2/16) describe a stormwater facility that appears
to be a rain garden stacked on top of an infiltration trench, which is not an approved BMP in the
2005 Stormwater Management Manual for Western Washington (SWMMWW). Since treatment
is not required, it is recommended to simplify this design to either a rain garden or an infiltration
trench or to show the facilities in series, but not stacked on top of each other. The letter report
states that "This assemblage is commonly referred to as a rain garden, through there will be no
requirement for the intensive landscaping typical of such a facility, this being simply a BMP and
used primarily for percolation treatment of the driveway runoff." This statement is incorrect and
appears to be mixing aspects of infiltration trenches and rain gardens. If a rain garden is
selected, vegetation would be required per the guidance in the 2005 SWMMWW.
R2. For new design without treatment facility, this comment is moot.
That said, I feel it best to point out that this assessment is in error and why.
A treatment facility can precede an infiltration facility and is typically required. The flow from
the treatment facility is to be routed to the infiltration facility. This is THE approved format.
For a bioswale (a.k.a. rain garden), the outlet for the treated water (91% of total flow volume) is
that which percolates through the soils. This is the Outlet 2 in the WWHM module. A
standpipe or weir is the surface outlet for overflow, which should be only for water that does
not require treatment of is in the remaining 9% of the total runoff volume and is the Outlet-1 in
the WWHM module.
In the reviewed design, the treated water flows (i.e. falls) from the treatment facility into the
infiltration facility. This is perfectly acceptable and a very compact layout for the facilities. This
arrangement should be encouraged in urban areas as it helps the City stay in compliance with
the GMA.
The important aspect is to understand that all required treatment waters percolate through the
'swale' soils and are allowed to'fall' - hence the easy to conceptualize100-in/hr infiltration rate
is used for the '2"d outlet' of the facility. This rate could be as high as 2,400-in/hr for flow
through the gravel bed.
Annotated image provided to illustrate design and approvability. Basically, if a layout can be
schematically mapped in the WWHM software, it should be legitimate.
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The rain -garden reference, while not 100% accurate, as noted, due to lack of specific plantings,
was presented for aid for understanding function. Common misperception for true bio-swales,
in the 'classic sense', expects that water flows in one end and out the other. 'Bio-swale' design
can be such that all received runoff will percolate through the soils. When this happens, a
gravel trench under -drain pipe is used to route the water to the next facility. In this case, there
is no underdrain. The pipe showed in the rock -bed is the feed from the roof runoff to the
infiltration trench.
The landscape requirements for 'rain gardens' add not just treatment, but to add extra transpo-
evaporation, which is not required or considered extremely minimal in this situation. The
plantings for bio-swales fits the situation.
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C3) The plan set (8/2/16) describes a bioswale in detail 300 and in the seeding mix specified in
detail 120. A bioswale (or biofiltration swale) is designed to be a flow -through water quality
treatment BMP, not an infiltration BMP.
R3. The bioswale IS (was) the treatment facility. See previous response. The infiltration facility
hydraulically follows the treatment facility, which is beneath the treatment in this case.
C4) The perforated pipe included in the rock bed in detail 300 on Sheet C2 of the plan set
(8/2/16) was not included in the WWHM modeling and can clog easily. Due to the infiltration
rates, an underdrain pipe is not necessary. If it is included in the design, it should be slotted
PVC pipe and included in the WWHM modeling inputs.
R4. The pipe is not an underdrain. See response-2. This is the infiltration facility distribution
pipe. It is protected by a downspout sediment and floatables filter as is called out per Detail
302 on the sheet c2. Cleanout are also specified for each end of the pipe across the perforation
area. This will not clog easily.
C5) The letter report (7/22/16) and plan set (8/2/16) describes the compost -amended soils
requirement (BMP T5.13) instead of the bioretention soil mix required for bioretention
installations. The WWHM output report (7/13/16) also uses the "SMMWW 12 in/hr" material type
which is linked to the bioretention soil mix specifications, not BMP T5.13.
R5. There is no longer a treatment facility required, hence no treatment soils need be specified
and nothing to address.
C6) All disturbed pervious surface areas (areas that are not covered with an impervious area or
a stormwater BMP) shall be amended per BMP T5.13 (Post -Construction Soil Quality and
Depth).
Please add a note to the plan set regarding this requirement
R6. Extra soils note added to sheet C1.
C7) The WWHM output report (7/13/16) contains the following errors/discrepancies:
C7a. The Everett Rain Gage with a Precip Scale of 0.80 is used for sizing; however, the
Edmonds Stormwater Supplement requires the use of the Puget East 36 rain gage which can
be selected by checking "Use WS-DOT data" on the "Map Information" tab in WWHM.
117a. The analysis has been re -run with the WSDOT precipitation / evaporation series and report
updated.
C7b. The pervious area is 0.08090 acres (3,524 sf) which is inconsistent with the 1,620sf
included in the letter report.
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R7a. While this typo discrepancy is now irrelevant since there is no surface water draining to a
bioswale, the larger pervious area value modeled shows the healthy design and capacity of the
previous SWM facility proposed.
C7c. The infiltration rate is 100.
117c. Comment now irrelevant since bioswale has been removed. Rate presented was
appropriated. See response to C2.
C7d. The riser height for the swale is 0.75 feet; however, the letter report specifies a 6-inch
ponding depth
R7d. Comment now irrelevant since bioswale has been removed. It is worth noting that the
riser height in the WWMH report should have read 0.5 ft to be consistent with design though
review of hydraulic table shows that any value above 0.5 ft is inconsequential as there is no
surface release and no modeled water level reached even 0.5 ft.
C7e. The geotechnical site evaluation identifies the site soils as Class A soils; however, Class C
(till) soils are specified in the WWHM output report.
R7e. Not quite a correct observation. The geotechnical assessment and the NRCS mapping
shows the surface soils as hydrologic group C soils though the geotechnical site exploration
shows that these lower permeability soils reside above a thick layer of higher permeability
advance outwash soils, more of a Group A soil (as explained in the report's soils section). This is
why the infiltration facility requires a minimum depth of 5 ft located near the base of the slope
to ensure contact with the higher permeability soils.
C7f. The pervious areas are modeled as pasture. If these areas will be standard
lawn/landscaping, they should be modeled as lawn.
***An alternative to the WWHM modeling approach is to use the City's simplified sizing
(Handout #E7213) to size either an infiltration trench or a bioretention cell.***
R7f. Note that per the DOE guidelines, areas restored per BMP 5.13 gain credit and safely can
be modeled as pasture in the continuous modeling. This is no longer an issue as there is no
longer surface runoff to the facility and the remaining pervious area has effectively a net
reduction change in runoff characteristic from LAWN to PASTURE. This requires no flow control
per the small project requirements.
C8) WWHM2012 is the most recent and up-to-date version of the Western Washington
Hydrologic Model. Although not required, it is recommended for use over WWHM4 since it
contains the latest updates from the model developer.
R8. The WWHM4 pro software is the identical to the WWHM-2012 for analysis (it is the same
program). The pro version simply is provided with additional 'Pro Element' analysis modules
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and other support back -ground tools like time series analysis and processing. The analysis has
been re -run with the public 2012 version for review simplicity and to avoid complication.
C9) The infiltration testing conducted at TP-1 and TP-3 are too variable to support 2 inches/hour
at the site of the proposed infiltration facility. The geotechnical report (5/16/13) states that an
infiltration trench installed along the west side of the west lot at and around TP-3 may be
designed with an infiltration rate of 2.5 inches/hour, but anywhere else on the lot should be
designed for an infiltration rate no more than 0.24 inches/hour.
R9. Please re -read the report Section 1.3.1, Expanded Soils Evaluation (now Section 1.2.5 in the
resubmitted report). I respectfully disagree with this comment and feel that use of a 2.0 in/hr
rate is well supported per the drainage manuals and industry standard guidelines. Further note
that the facility is sited in the location of the TP-3 where the favorable sandy soils sample was
taken and analyzed.
C10) The letter report (7/22/16) states that the project is located in the Fruitdale drainage basin
and the plan set (8/2/16) states that the project is located in the Puget Sound drainage basin.
Please confirm correct drainage basin and update for consistency.
R10. The report is accurate as written. All of Edmonds drains to the Puget Sound Watershed. I
use the DOE definitions so that the larger area defined by the natural topography and drains to
a point (river or water body) is the watershed. Local basins or sub -basins fall within the
watershed.
The local sub -basin (a.k.a watershed per city map) is named Fruitdale and is accurate per the
Edmonds April 2010 "STORMWATER CODE SUPPLEMENT TO EDMONDS COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 18.30", EXHIBIT A. Map extract follows:
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12) The plan set (8/2/16) contains two details with the 302 callout (Infiltration Drywell on Sheet
C1 and Downspout Filter for Infiltration Facility on Sheet C2).
R12. To clarify, detail 302 on sheet C1 has been renumbered to 304.
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Cl) As changes are made, please revise this plan sheet as needed.
R1. Changes have been coordinated for all changes in sheets.
GENERAL
C1) Show the filter fence and reference the Edmonds Standard Detail E1.1.
R1. Filter fence linework and detail callout reference has been added to plan.
C2) Add a note that the filter socks will be added to catch basins per Edmonds Standard Detail
E1.3 as needed, downstream from the site and areas where debris may enter the City
stormwater system from the construction/vehicles leaving the site.
R2. Note added though there are no catch basins within 100 ft of the closest parcel corner
downstream of the project. Any potential runoff would require travel across >100 ft of 1% to
2% lawn before reaching the any street or paved area. BMP call -out is not warranted.
C3) Show the construction entrance and reference the Edmonds Standard Detail E1.2.
R3. Note that existing entrance area is already paved and large paved staging area is available
in Lot-1 as noted in CSWPPP. NTL, callout added.
C4) Show protection fencing around any low impact stormwater facilities to prevent disturbance
of the area during other site construction activities.
R4. Updated design precludes need for such measures.
C5) The plans do not scale as stated. Please revise the plans accordingly.
R5. Apparent plotting error. Ben Swerk to confirm printing / plotting at 1:1 scale of provided
PDF files.
Permanent Stabilization Notes
Cl) Note 1 — Please revise to state that seeding will occur as soon as disturbance of the soils
have been completed.
R1. Stabilization note have been updated.
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SHEET C4 OF C4(Grading 'Plans
Cl) As changes are made, please revise this plan sheet as needed.
R1. Changes in site grading and surface feature changes have been implemented.
C2) Please add a note to the plans that the driveway shall not exceed a 14% slope.
R2. Note has been added.
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LANDSCAPE PLAN
Cl) The plans show trees and plants being installed over the existing private sewer system.
Please note that this may make maintenance an issue in the future.
RIBS - I understand.
C2) There appears to be inconsistencies between the Civils and the Landscape Plan regarding
impervious areas.
RIBS — These have been resolved, if there is a discrepancy the Civil plan would rule.
C2a. What is the material for the play area?
RBS — We will have woodchips or pea gravel for the play area.
C2b. If there are any areas where crushed rock can be driven on, the area will be considered
impervious.
RIBS — for that area west of the two -car garage we have included this as part of the impervious
calculation just to be on the safe side.
C2c. The patio (stamped concrete) to the west of the garage is not shown on the Civils.
RBS — Now shown on all plans.
C2d. Please revise the plans to be consistent and revise the imperious surface calculations
accordingly.
Changes have been coordinated for all changes in sheets.
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