Fire email - vault structurals.pdfKevin Zweber
From: Mark F [Nof@deoinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21.20172:2GPK4
To: NavinZwabor
Subject: FW: Magic Toyota -StonnwaterVault ' Structural ENG2O17O122
Attachments: PSM CO- Magic Toyota Detention Vault S'19-17.pdf
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Sent: Wednesday, June 31,2O172:2OPM
To: Mark Frynnoyer<Mcf@deainczonn»
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Entire set is attached.
Muni Vimmupwalm,PJ8-,S.E.
(206)622 4580 X 136
From: Mark Frynloyer
Sent: Wednesday, June 21,3O172:1SPM
To: Muni Vlmavva|a
Subject: RN: Magic Toyota - StonnwaterVault - Structural ENG20170133
Muni—Can you please send the updated loading diagram?
From: Kevin Zxveber
Sent: Wednesday, June 21,JD1712:47PM
To: Mark Frynnoyer
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Could you please send me the updated loading diagram. I don't see it with this permit (ENG20170122) packet.
KeViMZwebeF
Deputy Chief Fins Moohm|
Fire Prevention Services
Snohomish County Fire District l
Proudly serving the Cities ofBrier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213 Office
425-231-3644 cell
From: Mark Frymoyer [ff@jtL S. dfL4ig :a oL
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:44 AM
To: Kevin Zweber
Cc: Muni Vimawala; Johns, Kristin (KO stdn Qbn5 dmoD( a )
Subject: FW: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Kevin,
My understanding from the EOR was that the whole set was submitted to the city last week by the architect with the
updated loading diagram.
Thanks,
Mark
From: Muni Vimawala [railt a:r rr��v� a c gu w: �qml
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Mark Frymoyer <Mcf@deainc.com>
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Yes, our sheet was revised. I think the whole set was submitted to the city last week by the architect,
Thanks.
Muni Vimawala, P.E., S.E.
(206)622 4580 X 136
www,psm,-engmeers com
From: Mark Frymoyer [Ina to: Mcf a �JeaJra_.(;gm_]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:20 AM
To: Muni Vimawala
Subject: FW: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Muni --Can you comment on this?
From: Kevin Zweber [mailto:kZwebera fired( t, ictlw l
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Mark Frymoyer <Mcf@deainc.com>
Cc: Johns, Kristin <I{ristid°.Jt�nJprraJlJn+>
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Hi Mark,
Could you tell me if the loading sheet has be revised and if it has been submitted to the City?
Kevin Zweber
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Fire Prevention Services
Snohomish County Fire District l
Proudly serving the Cities of Brier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213 Office
425-231-3644 cell
From: MarkFrynnoyer
Sent: Friday, June OS, 30178:44AM
To: MuniVimavva|a; Kevin Zweber
Cc: ]eanie.McConnell @edmondsw8.gm/; Kirk Harris; John Hanson
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Thanks Muni!
Kevin --I think this should resolve this issue. If you have any other concerns, please let us know.
Mark
From: MuniVlnnaxva|a
Sent: Friday, June O9 30178:25AK4
To: Kevin Zvveber ; Mark Frymoyer
Cc: ]eanie.K8cConneU@edmondowa.8ov' ; Kirk Harris ;
]mhnHansonSubject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Hi Mark,
We will revise our loading sheet to reflect this requirement.
Muni ��awala, P.E.,SJE.
(286)6224580}{136
From: KevnZvveber
Sent: Fr�ay, June 09, 3O177:43A�
To: MarkFnmoyer
Cc: MuniVimawa|a; ']eanie.McConne||@ednnondswa.gov'; Kirk Harris
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - StormwatarVau|t- Structural ENG20170133
Mark, the spacing from the middle of the front axle to the midpoint
between the dual axles in 20' 3"'
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KevinZvvober
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Fire Prevention Services
Snohomish County Fire District #1
Proudly serving the Cities ofBrier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213
From: Mark Frymoyer [Mcf@deainc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:55 PM
To: Kevin Zweber
Cc: rro uc Nv@ a Ri- Pgirieer2. o ; 'lea nie.McConnell @edmondswa.gov'; Kirk Harris
Subject: FW: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Kevin,
Can you please provide the spacing between the front axle and the center of the rear dual axles to the Engineer of
Record? The axle loads you have provided are close to the design loading configuration but the EOR needs to weigh in
and determine how to proceed.
His contact is included below:
Munikumar Vimawala
PSM Engineers
206-622-4580
muniv sm-en ineers.com
Please let me know if you need any further information.
Mark
From: Kevin Zweber [ma iIto: kZweber @firedistrict I.or ]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Mark Frymoyer <Mcf@deainc.co,m>
Cc: 'McConnell, Jeanie' <Jeanie.McCorinell ecimnonds ra,ggv>
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Mark,
Our ladder truck has 23,000 lbs front, and 48,000 lbs rear (dual axle).
I will seek a solution from the applicant that doesn't change the vault design.
Kevin Zweber
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Fire Prevention} Services
Snohomish County Fire District 1
Proudly serving the Cities of Brier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213 Office
425-231-3644 cell
From: Mark Frymoyer [M ilto Mcf@d alnc cornu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 11:23 AM
To: Kevin Zweber
Cc m�jn @!:!Lngin et com;'lea nie.McConnell@edmondswa.gov'; Kirk Harris
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Kevin,
I just talked to the Engineer of Record who confirmed that the load is 48,000 lbs total for the pair of rear axles, not for
each axle. So the total vehicle weight would be 67,000 lbs.
Thanks,
Mark
From: Kevin Zweber [rnailto:kZwelaer@firedistrictl,or ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 201710:13 AM
To: Mark Frymoyer <Mcf@deainc,cor>
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Mark, I'm working on getting the request information.
On the first diagram is the dual axles 48,000 lbs per axle or for the pair?
Kevin Zweber
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Fire Prevention Services
Snohomish County Fire District I
Proudly serving the Cities of Brier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213 Office
425-231-3644 cell
From: Mark Frymoyer [rnailto:C cf deainc,corq]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:57 PM
To: Kevin Zweber
Cc: Kirk Harris; 'Jeanie.McConnelI@edmondswa.gov'
Subject: RE: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Kevin,
The storm water detention vault has been designed for the configurations shown below. The vault is designed for an
outrigger load of 45,000# over an 18" x 18" pad (approximately 140 psi) in accordance with NFPA 1901. Based on this,
the lid should be sufficient for the outrigger load.
As for the axle configuration, can you please provide more information on the individual axle weights and spacings?
'FIRE TRUCK WHEEL LOADS
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FRONT AXLE 19,040 Ib
FRONT REAR °O REAL AXLES 48,000 Ib.
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(DUAL TANDEM)
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'OUTRIGGER Pk) POINT LOAD PER NFPA 1901 �
Distributed over 180 x 18' pod at 15'-0" oc. 45,000 Ib,
'H820 TRUCK WHEEL LOADS
13 6 14'-0* TO 30'-0'
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l� I FRONT AXLE 8,000 Ib,
IF'RON REAR REAP o
SINGLE REAL AXLES . 32,000 Ib.
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TRACTOR TRAILER TRAILERSINGLE REAR AXLES 3',) Ib..
If you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to give me a call.
Thanks,
Mark C. Frymayer, P.E., S.E. I Associate and Structural Engineer, Transportation
David Evans and Associates, Inc.
14432 SE Easgate Way, Suite 400 1 Bellevue, WA 98007
d: 425.519.6569 1 c: 315.559.5912 1 cisco: 22569 1
DAVID EVANS
AND ASSOCIATES INC.
From: Kevin Zweber [t-nailto:kZweber@fii°edistrictl.or J
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 5:47 AM
To: Mark Frymoyer <Mcf@deainc.com>
Subject: Magic Toyota - Stormwater Vault - Structural ENG20170122
Mr. Froyer,
I was given your name by Jeanie McConnell from the Engineering Division at the City of Edmonds.
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I am concerned about the storm water vault at the Magic Toyota project being able to support the loads of our fire
apparatus. Our aerial apparatus weigh approximately 72,000 lbs and have a point load for the aerial outriggers of about
43,200 lbs (75 lbs per sq/inch).
Could you please provide me with the rated capacity of the vault.
Thanks,
Kevin Zweber
Deputy Chief - Fire Marshal
Fire Prevention Services
Snohomish County Fire District 1
Proudly serving the Cities of Brier,
Edmonds, and Mountlake Terrace
425-771-0213 Office
425-231-3644 cell