2024-03-26 Council MinutesEDMONDS CITY COUNCIL MEETING
APPROVED MINUTES
March 26, 2024
ELECTED OFFICIALS PRESENT
Mike Rosen, Mayor
Vivian Olson, Council President
Chris Eck, Councilmember
Will Chen, Councilmember
Neil Tibbott, Councilmember
Michelle Dotsch, Councilmember
Susan Paine, Councilmember
Jenna Nand, Councilmember
1. CALL TO ORDER/FLAG SALUTE
STAFF PRESENT
Michelle Bennett, Police Chief
Angie Feser, Parks, Rec., & Human Serv. Dir.
Todd Tatum, Comm., Culture & Econ. Dev. Dir.
Jeff Taraday, City Attorney
Scott Passey, City Clerk
Jerrie Bevington, Camera Operator
The Edmonds City Council meeting was called to order at 6:59 pm by Mayor Rosen in the Council
Chambers, 250 5' Avenue North, Edmonds, and virtually. The meeting was opened with the flag salute.
2. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Councilmember Dotsch read the City Council Land Acknowledge Statement: "We acknowledge the
original inhabitants of this place, the Sdohobsh (Snohomish) people and their successors the Tulalip Tribes,
who since time immemorial have hunted, fished, gathered, and taken care of these lands. We respect their
sovereignty, their right to self-determination, and we honor their sacred spiritual connection with the land
and water."
3. ROLL CALL
City Clerk Scott Passey called the roll. All elected officials were present.
4. PRESENTATIONS
1. ANNUAL REPORT — SOUTH COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE
Fire Chief Thad Hovis, South County Fire (SCF), advised this is his fifth and final annual report to the
Edmonds City Council. In five days, Assistant Chief Eastman will take over as fire chief, the City will be
in good hands. Chief Hovis reviewed:
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South County Fire by the Numbers
o Serves nearly 300,000 people
across 53 square miles in south
Snohomish County
0 15 neighborhood fire stations
staffed 24/7, including three fire
stations in Edmonds
0 350+ uniformed personnel
0 70 firefighters on duty during the
day and 64 overnight
0 37,677 incidents in 2023,
including 6,147 in Edmonds
o Most calls are medical
emergencies (86% in Edmonds)
• Serving Our Residents
o Fires
o Medical emergencies
o Motor vehicle collisions
o Hazardous materials
o Rescues
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o Other hazards and emergency situations
o Community health, safety and risk reduction
Assistant Chief of Emergency Medical Services, Health & Safety Shaughn Maxwell reviewed:
• Emergency Medical Services
o This is our most requested service
o All firefighters are emergency medical technicians or paramedics
0 86% of incidents in the City of Edmonds were dispatched as EMS in 2023
o South County Fire is the first agency in the county to carry whole blood to provide in -field
blood transfusions for patients with life -threatening medical conditions or trauma injuries.
o Cardiac arrest saves
■ South County Fire's cardiac arrest save rate across the RFA is consistently well above state
and national averages
o ACT Program
■ Focuses on three skills needed to save a life in the first few minutes of an emergency
- Stop bleeding
- CPR & AED training
- Administering Narcan
■ Taught in three 15-minute modules
■ Have trained 20,000 people
Captain Nicole Picknell reviewed:
Community Resource Paramedics (CRP)
o Supports people who are forgotten
o Non -emergency service to help reduce 911 calls and hospital use
o Serves older adults, behavioral health patients, disabled people, homeless and veterans
o Breaks down barriers and creates access to care
➢ Case study
■ Elderly Edmonds woman, 54 calls to 911 in 3 months
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- Often 2-3 calls/day to 911
- 9 calls over a 14-day period
- Each call generated a response by an engine company, medic unit or both
After enrollment in CRP program:
- Housing with full-time care
- 1 call to 911 in 3 years
- Decrease in client call volume improve availability of Engine 17 & Medic 17 for
emergency response in Edmonds
Growth in Edmonds
- 2022: 119 clients
- 2023: 303 clients
Community Outreach Manager Shawneri Guzman explained her team is responsible for providing
education and resources to residents to help prevent tragedies like fire and other trauma and to help prepare
them for major disasters, cardiac events, etc. They do that through:
• Community Outreach
o Free online classes
■ ACT First Aid & CPR
■ Disaster Preparedness
■ Child Car Seat Safety
■ Virtual Car Seat Checks
■ Home Fire Safety
■ Aging in Place
■ Child Safety & CPR
o Free distribution of lifesaving devices (made available via grant funding)
■ Child car seats
■ Smoke alarms
■ CO alarms
■ Infant safe sleep sacks
■ Bike helmets
■ File of Life
o Community events in Edmonds
■ More than 7,500 residents reached at events including Fire Camp, Fourth of July Parade
and fire station open events in the city
o Assisting groups with developing a community wide safety plan
Fire Prevention Deputy Chief Todd Anderson reviewed:
• Fire Prevention
0 2 personnel assigned to City of Edmonds to operate as fire code officials and work with
building department
o Increases in new construction permit inspections:
■ 4 times more than 2017, from 131 to 546
o Implementation of new maintenance inspection software to assist with conducting and tracking
annual fire inspections
o In 2023
■ 379 plan reviews
■ 55 preconstruction meetings
■ 30 special event permits
Training
o Photo of twenty-one 2023 Academy Graduates
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Chief Hovis reviewed:
• Emergency Responses - 2023 by the numbers and contract -required metrics
o How many calls?
Total incidents in the City of Edmonds in 2023: 6,147
12.05% increase from 2019
2019 2020 2021 2022
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medical aid
Source: Snohomish County 911 data
o Response times
■ Looks at 8-minute response time in four categories
■ This measures Sno9l l's call receipt to arrival
■ Comparisons of data for 2019-2023
■ Percentage of calls within 8 minutes or less
— 2019: 73.45%
— 2020:56.19%
— 2021: 68.41%
— 2022:79.58%
— 2023:78.58%
■ Response time on 90% of calls
— 2019: 09:42
— 2020: 10:40
— 2021: 09:59
— 2022: 09:16
— 2023:09:26
o Turnout Time
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■ Measures the time from when Sno9l l call is dispatched to the time the apparatus leaves
the station
■ The reporting standard in the contract is different from the city's adopted standard in the
1756 compliance report: 2:15 (contract) vs. 2:45 (compliance report)
■ South County Fire nearly met the city adopted standard of 2:45 (89.05%)
■ Turnout time percentage at 2:15
- 2019: 82.34%
- 2020:81.28%
- 2021:77.66%
- 2022:78.07%
- 2023:75.03%
■ 90% Turnout Time
- 2019: 2:34
- 2020: 2:34
- 2021: 2:42
- 2022: 2:43
- 2023: 2:48
Neighboring Unit Utilization Factor (NUUF)
o What it evaluates: Response of units across jurisdictional boundaries.
o What the numbers mean:
■ 100% = an equal balance of cross jurisdictional response
■ Contract considers 90%-110% to be within balance range
■ Over 100% = units from neighboring jurisdictions are responding into Edmonds more than
Edmonds units are responding outside the city
o Why does this matter?
■ We have a regional emergency delivery system
■ This evaluates if level of service decisions in one jurisdiction negatively impact a
neighboring jurisdiction
o Neighboring Unit Utilization
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Unit Hour Utilization Factor (UHUF)
o What it evaluates: Percentage of time a fire unit is on a call
o What the numbers mean: The higher the number, the busier the unit is
■ Unit Hour Utilization Factor is up for Edmonds stations, but within compliance with
contract standards
■ This number is up at two of three Edmonds fire station
■ 20% is the trigger to start looking at deployment options and additional resources
o Unit Hour Utilization
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■ Station 16
■ Station 17
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• Transport Balancing Factor (TBF)
o Looks at the balance between:
■ Edmonds --> Outside City
- The number of times Edmonds -based units are doing transports outside the city
■ Outside City 4Edmonds
- The number of times South County Fire units based outside the city are doing
transports in Edmonds
o In 2023, the factor was under 1.0
- Outside city units transporting in Edmonds less than Edmonds units transporting
outside city
- A factor of 1.0 means = in balance
■ Transnorts
2021
2022
2023
RFA transports in the City
575
595
430
Edmonds transports not in the City
460
794
713
Transport Balancing Factor (TBF)
1.250
0.749
0.603
• Other required metrics
o Transport fees billed and collected in Edmonds and Esnerance
Edmonds Billed
Edmonds Collected
Es erance Billed
Es erance Collected
2019
$2,310,729
$973,880
$118,595
$48,838
2020
$2,164,260
$896,643
$85,807
$34,927
2021
$2,314,119
$870,562
$68,059
$27,601
2022
$2,500,700
$995,040
$79,605
$33,188
2023
$2,689,951
$1,154,454
$71,805
$31,865
o Shoreline units into Edmonds (measured in incident responses)
■ 2019: 119
■ 2020: 56
■ 2021: 97
■ 2022: 16
■ 2023: 48
o Edmonds unit into Woodway (measured in seconds)
■ 2019: 5,288
■ 2020: 5,544
■ 2021: 4,713
■ 2022 287
■ 2023 13,205
• Standards of Cover Compliance (1756 Report)
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Turnout Time in Standard of Cover
2:45
2:42
2:43
2:48
Turnout time in contract
2:15
2:34
2:48
First arriving engine company to a fire
6:30
6:38
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Full first alarm assignment at residential fire
7:45
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10:55
10:41
Full first alarm assignment at commercial fire
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BLS response
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Councilmember Eck said she has always had a high level of respect for the work SCF does and in her view,
they are all heroes. She was happy to hear about the availability of whole blood in the field. With regard to
the case study about the woman who called 911 a lot whom Community Resource Paramedics were able to
assist, she asked what percentage of people utilizing that service were 65 or older. Captain Picknell said
she did not have an exact percentage, but when she asked team members to provide significant calls in
Edmonds, of the 10 cases provided, every one of them was over the age of 70. She could obtain the
percentage if Councilmember Eck wished.
Councilmember Tibbott referred to the graphic of equipment that responds to a house fire, and asked
whether the amount and location of equipment would change as taller, more dense structures are built in
Edmonds. Chief Hovis acknowledged Operations Chief Isotalo seated in the audience, anticipating his
answer would be a commercial response to a taller building would include another ladder truck, another
engine and another transport unit. Ladders are only so tall, so the problem has to be attacked with more
people and resources. As communities continue to grow vertically, that is a consideration for SCF. SCF has
only two ladder trucks on duty 24/7; consideration will need to be given to adding another in the future.
Councilmember Tibbott observed there is one in Edmonds. Chief Hovis answered there is one at Station 14
in Blue Ridge (Lynnwood) next to Station 16.
Councilmember Nand thanked SCF for the heroic work they are doing in Snohomish County. She recalled
a question during last year's presentation about SFC's ideas for what Edmonds could do with its portion of
the opioid settlement and how those funds could be used to save lives in the community. Assistant Chief
Maxwell answered that is an exciting question; Captain Picknell is extremely passionate about that and
likely could provide many ideas. Something he was hopeful could be implemented soon was getting out
into the streets and helping people with addiction. There are medications that can be therapeutic to those
with addiction problems. That funding can help SCF to actively engage with people instead of waiting until
they overdose and need Narcan. Captain Picknell is working on robust plans to do that hopefully in the next
year.
Council President Olson thanked SCF for the data analytics, commenting it was helpful to compare year to
year; her perception was Edmonds was in good place with regard to the contract. She also thanked them for
the good work they do; truly public servants that the community relies on. With regard to the availability
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of whole blood, she reminded the community that before SCF can do their good work, blood has to be
donated. There is a donation center in Lynnwood at Highway 99 & 196t' and pop-up donation sites at the
Waterfront Center; the next one is April 29 and 30. She encouraged the community to max out donors at
that pop-up.
Councilmember Paine thanked SCF for their service, saving lives every day. She was very glad to see the
numbers come down which indicates the contract changes made in 2022 were appropriate. She asked what
prevention work has been most effective such as the recent building codes revisions and what SCF would
like to have implemented with regard to emergency medical and fire prevention. Deputy Chief Anderson
answered the most useful related to prevention would be life safety measure codes in the 2023 edition which
the council is in the process of adopting. Councilmember Paine relayed her belief those had been adopted.
Deputy Chief Anderson advised there is a lot of new language that clarifies apparatus access, fire
department connections and the ability to regulate those on inspection regarding gallons per minute they
pump. For SCF to do their best work, it will be necessary to add more people. The contract has been in
place since 2011 with no changes related to prevention. With regard to the codes, most of the changes to
the 2018 version are minor.
Councilmember Paine asked what was most useful related to emergency medical. Assistant Chief Maxwell
answered the healthcare system is under extreme strain; nursing homes and rehab facilities are full which
pushes into the hospital, into the emergency department and out to SCF. When people have no one else to
call, whether it's social, behavioral, addition, etc., they call SCF. The incredible work Captain Picknell and
her team do with opioids, behavior health and social services needs to be addressed upstream because it
bogs down the entire system when emergency providers are dealing with them via the most expensive and
inefficient approaches. There need to be investments in that upstream work which will help take the pressure
off downstream.
Councilmember Paine asked how long it takes to provide Narcan training to a group. Community Relations
Manager Guzman answered the training takes less than an hour and can be adapted to all types of groups
including workplaces, senior centers, etc. Two generous Verdant grants last year allowed SCF to distribute
400 Narcan kits (800 doses) during the holidays when they saw an uptick in overdoses. The training gets
Narcan into the hands of those who need it as well as educating them about how to spot an overdose or
signs of someone in addiction. She is on the Child Death Review Team for Snohomish County which is
seeing teens 13-15 years of age who are overdosing and often those families have never been introduced to
Narcan. Education and Narcan needs to be provided to middle schools, high schools, and parent groups as
well as older adults who also experience addiction.
Councilmember Chen added his appreciation to SCF and the great work they do every day to save lives and
help with addictions and challenges, even providing education and community outreach events to seniors
who do not speak English. The statistics in the presentation were very helpful, but there is no data related
to the cost of running programs. From his rough calculation, Edmonds pays about $12 million for contract
services, dividing that by 6,147 calls in 2023 is about $1,952/call. He wondered if there was any data
available that compared the cost of SCF services to other fire agencies. He recognized cost was on SCF's
mind as well and doing their job in the most cost-effective way. He suggested providing that information
in the future if that data is available.
Councilmember Dotsch thanked SCF for what they do for the community and the various services they
provide. She was excited to hear SCF was top in the country in cardiac saves. She is a dentist and recalled
having SCF provide training in their office. As Snohomish County is growing, including four times more
new construction permit inspections and projections of 30% more people, she asked if SCF coordinates
with state and county regarding the need for increased services as the population grows. Assistant Chief
Eastman answered SCF has a comprehensive 25-30 year facility plan prepared by Berk and Associates,
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TCA and other consultants. Berk and Associates prepared the Snohomish County comprehensive plan
update so they have good knowledge of what was happening countywide. SCF is also working with Hospital
District 2 on the Value Village property as a potential future site. A new station is needed as a result of
growth occurring around Alderwood Mall Parkway, south of Fred Meyer and near Lake Stickney. SCF also
has a property at Manor south of Gibson. SCF has looked at where fixed sites need to be located and once
those infill fire stations are built and operating, SCF will have sticks and mortar where they are needed. As
development increases vertically and becomes denser and call loads increase, resources at stations will need
to be added. For example, instead of one fire engine, there may be two or a fire engine and two medic units.
Once the fixed sites are operational, there will be efforts to double or triple house a station to address growth
happening in South Snohomish County.
Councilmember Dotsch asked how long that takes. Assistant Chief Eastman answered land acquisition
sometimes takes a while and funding is something the board will need to discuss to increase fixed facilities;
the real cost long term is the cost of personnel and equipment to operate those facilities. SCF is working on
that, and he was hopeful that could be completed in the next 10-15 years. In addition to new fire stations,
there are stations in the RFA such as Station 10 that need to be torn down/rebuilt. That will take 15-20 years
to complete. The facility plan has been done, the rest of the planning, which includes funding and staff, is
underway.
Councilmember Dotsch commented on current response time versus with additional growth. She relayed
her experience with her mom who lives at Edmonds Landing who went to Swedish -Edmonds in an
ambulance and people were waiting to get into the ER. That illustrates the need to plan where people go;
Swedish -Edmonds is one of the only hospitals in the area. She recognized the stress that puts on the fire
department. Assistant Chief Eastman agreed infrastructure needs to be in place, there are only so many ER
and hospital beds, adult family care homes and rehab centers and the community is woefully short on
infrastructure for behavioral health challenges. The fire department and the city council need to talk to
Olympia about the infrastructure challenges in Washington which has the fewest beds per population
anywhere in the country. The problem isn't going away and will become more challenging. The RFA does
its best to stay ahead of it and has been ahead of the hospital wall time issues for the last 2'/z years and are
well connected with hospital leadership to maintain communication to ensure resources are available. Long
term, there needs to be more infrastructure and that will require everyone working together. That work
hasn't started yet and is not something SCF or the City can do alone, they will have to work together with
help from Olympia and potentially Washington DC.
Mayor Rosen thanked Chief Hovis for his service and for spending his career in South Snohomish County.
He wished him well in his new chapter and was honored to have him as a resident of Edmonds. Mayor
Rosen congratulated soon to be Fire Chief Eastman.
2. CITIZEN'S TREE BOARD 2024 ANNUAL REPORT
Parks, Recreation and Human Services Director Angie Feser introduced Tree Board Chair Wendy Kliment
and recognized Tree Board Members Janelle Cass and Ross Dimmick in the audience.
Chair Kliment reviewed:
• Tree Board Members
o Wendy Kliment (Chair)
o Bill Phipps (Vice -Chair)
o Janelle Cass
o Ian Higgins
o Ben Mark
o Crane Stavig
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o Ross Dimmick (Alternate)
o Jenna Nand (City Council/Ex-Officio)
Tree Board's Main Mission
o The Citizens' Tree Board actively encourages the planting, protecting, and proper maintenance
of trees for long-term community benefit.
Year in Review - 2023
o Edmonds is now in its 13th year as a Tree City USA
o Earth Day - The Tree Board is now supported by the Edmonds Parks & Recreation Department,
creating more opportunities for partnership, such as:
■ Yost Park Tree Planting
■ Bark Chips at Pine Ridge Park
o Partnered with Edmonds in Bloom on their Garden Tour (7th year)
o Arbor Day Event in October
■ Booth at the Farmers Market
■ Education component about critical areas
- GIS interactive map at the Farmers Market
■ Gave away 90 trees to Edmonds residents
■ Afternoon tree tour with Instructor, Horticulturalist and Certified Arborist, Bess Bronstein
o Winter market - Gave away 60 conifers to Edmonds residents at the December winter market
o Provided input on the tree code
Photographs from Earth Day, Farmers Market, and Winter Market
2024 Plans in Summary
o Educate and assist through various activities and events including:
■ Earth Day, April 2024
■ Tree seedling potting and giveaway at Watershed Fun Fair, May 2024
■ Downtown Edmonds - educational tree tags
■ Edmonds in Bloom garden tour - tree identification
■ Farmers Market
o Partner with Edmonds Parks and Recreation Department and Sound Salmon Solutions at
Edmonds Parks
o Continue to provide input on the Tree Code
Councilmember Nand explained the reason the City has the designation of Tree City USA is the work of
the volunteer tree board in conjunction with the administration. The work, outreach and education they do
in a community where so many people are passionate about trees is amazing. Tree nerds, as she
affectionately referred to them, have the incredible capacity and ability to talk to and educate people about
trees. She appreciated their efforts, noting the City runs on its volunteers.
Councilmember Chen expressed appreciation for the work the tree board is doing and the logo, right tree
right place. He referenced the comprehensive plan and increasing development and asked what the tree
board sees as its role during this transition period in addition to the great work they are already doing. Chair
Klement responded the tree board is an advisory board that makes recommendations. Many tree board
members are professionals who work with trees in their day jobs. The tree board has done a lot of work on
the tree code, giving their opinion to the planning board on the development code, the tree code and the
residential tree code are taking a back seat at the moment awaiting the comprehensive plan update.
Ms. Feser commented prior to this year, the Planning & Development department supported the tree board.
City code is housed under that department, not Parks, Recreation & Human Services, so those departments
are splitting the responsibilities. When there are items related to code, comprehensive plan, or requests for
feedback/recommendations, Planning & Development will be present at tree board meetings. Planning &
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Development will be in touch with the tree board when they want their input, feedback and
recommendations; Parks, Recreation & Human Services just does the fun stuff.
Councilmember Paine commented a lot of councilmembers have either been on the tree board or served as
liaison. She was on the tree board in the past when comprehensive tree code was developed that failed
spectacularly. She congratulated the tree board on 13 years as a Tree City USA; she was on the tree board
when the first renewal application was submitted. The tree board is remarkable and its members are all very
accomplished and passionate about trees. She was particularly proud of the work the tree board does and
the thoughtfulness of their outreach. She loved the tree giveaways and encouraged everyone to plant 2-3
trees.
Councilmember Eck said she has had the pleasure of serving on the tree board. She thanked Janelle Cass
for her service as the former chair and congratulated Wendy Kliment on being selected as chair. She recalled
the delight in people's eyes when the tree board hands out free trees. The education that tree board members
provide the community is invaluable, the work they do matters, and she is grateful to them for serving.
Councilmember Dotsch thanked the tree board for the work they do. She recalled a lot of work was done
on the tree code last year and she hoped the tree board was able to provide input on the comprehensive plan.
She was at the farmers market in October for the tree giveaway and the GIS map display. She was glad to
see the GIS map that shows what Edmonds looks like in reality, an important educational component. She
wondered if there was a way to alert new homeowners when they have a critical area on their property.
Council President Olson expressed appreciation for the presentation and the recap of last year. She was
especially happy about the reorganization under Parks. The tree board should be proud of their 2023 Arbor
Day event, it was one of the best in her memory. She looked forward to joining the tree board for Earth Day
in 2024. Chair Klement advised there will be Arbor Day events at Yost and at Pine Ridge Parks, ivy pulling
and tree planting at Yost and ivy pulling at Pine Ridge.
5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
COUNCIL PRESIDENT OLSON MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER ECK, TO
APPROVE THE AGENDA IN CONTENT AND ORDER.
COUNCILMEMBER CHEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER DOTSCH, TO
AMEND THE AGENDA TO PULL ITEM 7.2, JANUARY MONTHLY REPORT, FOR A BRIEF
DISCUSSION. AMENDMENT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5A. JANUARY MONTHLY REPORT (Previously Received for Filing Item 7.2)
Councilmember Chen referred to Fund Balances on packet page 112, observing General Fund 001 is not
shown although it is typically most important fund. The City is under stress in the General Fund, but that
fund is not shown in the monthly report.
Councilmember Nand asked for clarification of Councilmember Chen's point. Councilmember Chen
advised the list of fund balances on page 112 starts with Fund 009, followed by 011, 012, 014, etc., but
although General Fund 001 is the most important, it is missing from this report. Councilmember Nand
observed the report on page 112 is the General Fund Subfunds Overview. Councilmember Chen agreed,
noting Fund 001 is most important subfund and is present in every other monthly report.
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Councilmember Tibbott commented the January Monthly Report has been in at least two and possibly three
packets and the packet pages do not line up, but the information is correct.
6. AUDIENCE COMMENTS
Roger Pence, Edmonds, former member and chair of the planning board, followed up on comments he
made last week regarding data associated with the city's comprehensive planning process. Last week he
expressed skepticism about the 13,000 projected population increase for the City of Edmonds over a period
of 20 years which represents a 4.3 increase in the previous growth rate which did not seem probable. He
attended the planning forum on Saturday in the Brackett Room hoping to find more evidence or
documentation verifying that number, but it did not; the display board included the same numbers from
previous PowerPoint presentations. He asked one of the consultants about the number, if we didn't have
that 13,000 number floating around and the city just went about examining the history, data and evidence,
would the city have come up with the projection of 13,000. The consultant said no, the city would not have
come up with a number that large. Another equally incredulous number is the planned expansion of housing
units, 9,068 new housing units to accommodate those 13,000 new people. Doing the math results in a unit
occupancy of only 1.44 and he questioned the occupancy rate going from 2.25 people/unit to 1.44. He hoped
someone would direct staff to make these numbers work because right now they are inexplicable and if
they are the root of the city's comprehensive plan, they need to make sense.
Anne Crawley, Edmonds, said she travels 100t1i and SR-104 very frequently. During the last three months,
she noticed things happening on 100'/9t' related to the lane lines. Even more alarming was watching
bicyclists coming from 100t' Avenue, crossing SR-104 and on 100t' where it intersects with 9t' and there is
a big difference in the traffic 100' south of SR-104 where 100' becomes 9t''. She assumed the two white
lines distinguish the bike lane from the parking. She has watched accidents almost happen when bicyclists
cross SR-104 and proceed into this new bike lane. She anticipated that hazard increasing with more bicycles
and electric bikes.
Ken Reidy, Edmonds, expressed his support for the excellent comments made by Roger Pence and he
hoped the council would listen carefully to what he said. He referred to the consent agenda item related to
Council Rules of Procedures Section 3, commenting the proposed changes are not consistent with the
Edmonds City Code. He recommended when adopting new Rules of Procedure that they be consistent with
the City Code; the City Code clearly states the council president shall have the following responsibilities:
formulate and prepare the agenda for city council meetings. If changes to the Rules of Procedure are not
consistent with the City Code, the code needs to be revised first. He was disappointed the red light cameras
presentation in tonight's agenda packet as he had hoped it would be removed. He referred to packet page
228, a comparison of City of Lynnwood Red Light Accident Reductions, advising that was not an accurate
portrayal of the data as in 2017 Lynnwood made a major change to the way they calculate accidents. Two
different data sets cannot be shown on one graph as if it is the same data point. He recommended asking
who prepared that graph and not passing the resolution tonight which summarizes the data received and
adopts the location analysis. With regard to the BID, he encouraged the council to listen to business owners
who have been opposed to the BID for a long time; they have some great points, and it is likely time to let
the BID sunset.
7. RECEIVED FOR FILING
1. CLAIM FOR DAMAGES FOR FILING
3. COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO A BOARD/COMMISSION
4. OUTSIDE BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
8. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
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COUNCILMEMBER CHEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER PAINE, TO
APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED (6-1) COUNCILMEMBER DOTSCH
VOTING NO. The agenda items approved are as follows:
1. APPROVAL OF COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES MARCH 12, 2024
2. APPROVAL OF SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES MARCH 12, 2024
3. APPROVAL OF CLAIM CHECKS AND WIRE PAYMENT
4. APPROVAL OF PAYROLL AND BENEFIT CHECKS, DIRECT DEPOSIT AND WIRE
PAYMENTS
5. COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE SECTION 3
9. COUNCIL BUSINESS
RESOLUTION ADOPTING TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA LOCATION ANALYSIS
Council President Olson explained this resolution is strictly about the data on the intersections and whether
the data is an analysis of what the council needs and plans to use to make a decision in the future whether
to implement red light cameras at zero, some, or all of the intersections that were studied. She reiterated the
resolution is strictly about the data on the intersections. The data point identified under Audience Comments
is being reviewed. Because there is interest in this item and not everyone has followed all the meetings
regarding red light cameras, every packet included all the information. The information highlighted by the
resident is not related to this decision on the resolution which is an analysis of the City of Edmonds
intersections; the graph that was referenced was about Lynnwood's accident history and is not germane to
this item. Approving the resolution accepts the analysis as the basis for decision making.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT OLSON MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TIBBOTT, TO
APPROVE THE RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET.
COUNCILMEMBER PAINE MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TIBBOTT, TO
AMEND THE TITLE OF RESOLUTION, TO STRIKE "SECOND" AND SUBSTITUTE WITH
"INTERSECTION" SO THE TITLE READS, "... AN INTERSECTION SECOND TRAFFIC
SAFETY CAMERA LOCATION ANALYSIS..." AMENDMENT CARRIED (6-1),
COUNCILMEMBER DOTSCH VOTING NO.
Councilmember Paine said she also has concerns with some of the other whereas clauses but will wait for
other councilmembers to speak.
Councilmember Dotsch was concerned that the study of intersections did not come from full council. The
data presented included a third party who has a financial interest in the installation of the cameras; it should
have been provided by an outside party. The automated enforcement checklist she cited at a previous
meeting which the police said they were using, stated this should be part of a citywide public safety plan.
This is narrowly focused on the most highly trafficked intersections, 100' & SR-104, 220' & Highway 99,
and 76th & 212th. The data is very generalized; in reviewing the actual numbers, at the three intersections
identified as the most dangerous, there were five accidents caused by running red lights in 2023, zero
bicyclist or pedestrians were struck and there were zero injuries. The narrative that these are the most
dangerous intersections and that there are 500+ accidents in Edmonds raises the question of whether the
data is being considered properly and whether citywide safety is being considered.
Mayor Rosen clarified the motion is to accept the accuracy of the data and not the use of the data.
Councilmember Dotsch reiterated the data is very generalized. If the issue is drivers running red lights, the
council needs accident data related to drivers running red lights. She questioned issuing $130 citations for
running a red light when in reality there may be other things that cause more bodily harm, and whether this
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was the best place to invest police and court resources. This information was the result of a poor process
last year and she still feels it is a poor process.
Councilmember Nand thanked Council President Olson for her work and staff for their input. She expressed
concern that this is supposed to be a neutral adoption of data for future consideration of whether to pursue
red light cameras in Edmonds.
COUNCILMEMBER NAND MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER DOTSCH, TO
AMEND TO REMOVE THE 7TH WHEREAS CLAUSE THAT READS, "WHEREAS, THE CITY
COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING WHETHER TO AUTHORIZE THE ADDITION OF TRAFFIC
SAFETY CAMERAS AT UP TO NINE SPECIFIC SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION LOCATIONS."
Councilmember Nand said include that statement in resolution is getting ahead of ourselves.
Councilmember Paine preferred to retain that whereas clause to ensure the data that is adopted pertains to
Edmonds. The greatest opportunities for determining where red light cameras need to be located will be
those nine intersections. There is likely to be better behavior modification if cameras are installed at nine
intersections because people will pay more attention if there are cameras at nine intersections instead of
only three.
Councilmember Nand relayed her preference to remove the whereas clause due to strong skepticism in the
community last year when this was brought forward that it was a revenue generating strategy by the council
and not specifically tied to safety. Presenting to the public that the council is considering going from zero
red light cameras to nine, especially in a year where the City is experiencing a tight budget, casts a pall over
the efficacy and purity of the council's motives. She preferred to remove the whereas clause and see if an
argument can be presented to the community with a close nexus to public safety and not revenue generation.
She was not comfortable with stating the council was considering nine red light cameras.
Council President Olson said she was also in favor of retaining this whereas clause but for a very different
reason. As someone involved in authoring the resolution, that clause is related to whether to authorize up
to nine. There is no intent or commitment communicated in this clause to install nine cameras. The data for
the nine intersections will be the basis for the decision whether to install zero, one or more red light cameras.
Councilmember Eck also supported keeping this whereas clause to give the council wiggle room. The
feedback from the public about being equitable and not concentrating on one neighborhood also needs to
be factored in.
Councilmember Chen also supported the whereas clause regarding nine locations because the data sources
are all credible and provide a comparison of different intersections throughout the City in order to make
equitable decisions to improve public safety versus just for revenue generation motives.
Councilmember Dotsch recalled the council asked for police and court time and was provided limited data
related to school zone cameras. The department is ten officers short, 40 hours in front of a screen.
Councilmember Tibbott raised a point of order, stating Councilmember Dotsch's comments are not relative
to the amendment. Mayor Rosen requested council comments relate to the amendment to strike the clause.
AMENDMENT FAILED (2-5) COUNCILMEMBERS DOTSCH AND COUNCILMEMBER NAND
VOTING YES.
Councilmember Paine referred to the 9t1i whereas related to delaying the selection of any or all of the nine
intersections to a subsequent council action and recommended leaving that to the administration.
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COUNCILMEMBER PAINE MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER ECK, TO STRIKE
THE 9TH WHEREAS CLAUSE, "WHEREAS, ANY DECISION TO AUTHORIZE THE USE OF
TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERAS FOR ANY OR ALL OF THESE NINE SIGNALIZED
INTERSECTION LOCATIONS WILL OCCUR, NOT THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION, BUT
THROUGH SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL ACTION."
Councilmember Paine said this would allow the administration to choose the intersections based on the
safety analysis. The administration will be administering the program, the City has a strong police force,
and the council is supportive of public safety. This whereas clause is not synchronous with the rest of the
resolution that references the nine locations.
Councilmember Nand said she was strongly opposed to removing the 9t' whereas clause. This issue has
received a high level of public scrutiny and due to the police department's prominent role in presenting this
last year, they came under some harsh and unwarranted criticism. The decision to add red light cameras
will be a political decision and should not implicate the independence, integrity or perception of the police
department or court in any way.
Council President Olson agreed with Councilmember Nand's comments, there is still a policy decision to
be made regarding whether or not to have red light cameras. This resolution is not to usurp or get around
that policy decision, simply to state that this data will be used as the basis for that decision.
MOTION FAILED (2-5), COUNCILMEMBERS PAINE AND ECK VOTING YES.
COUNCILMEMBER NAND MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER DOTSCH, TO
AMEND WHEREAS 8 TO READ AS FOLLOWS, "WHEREAS, THE CITY COUNCIL, AFTER
REVIEW AND DISCUSSION, HAS DETERMINED
TTs�T TO ADOPT THE AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA ANALYSIS OF THESE
NINE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION LOCATIONS PURSUANT TO RCW 46.63.170(1)(A).
Councilmember Nand commented the resolution needs to be very neutral, there has already been high level
of public scrutiny about Verra Mobility, who is potentially the City's contractor, providing this information
free of charge, etc. This amendment will preserve the neutrality and stress that the council has not made
any commitments, the data sources are legitimate, and the council will give this due deliberation before
making this policy change.
Councilmember Dotsch expressed support for the amendment because "interest" could be safety, financial
or something else and the statement is very vague.
Council President Olson pointed out the Verra Mobility data was not the only data provided; it was among
the data provided for each of the intersections. It is in the City's best interest to adopt the basis for making
future decisions. She was comfortable with wording as submitted.
UPON ROLL CALL, AMENDMENT FAILED (2-5), COUNCILMEMBERS DOTSCH AND NAND
VOTING YES; COUNCILMEMBERS ECK, CHEN, TIBBOTT, AND PAINE AND COUNCIL
PRESIDENT OLSON VOTING NO.
MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED CARRIED (5-2), COUNCILMEMBERS DOTSCH AND NAND
VOTING NO.
2. RESOLUTION CONCERNING REESTABLISHMENT WORKPLAN OF THE EDMONDS
DOWNTOWN BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
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Council President Olson explained many Business Improvement Districts (BID) are formed with a ten year
duration and after that time they cease to exist or are reinitiated. When the Edmonds BID was initiated 10+
years ago in 2013, there was no term of duration. It is time to reevaluate it and go through a reinitiation
process even though formation of the BID did not include any term of duration. Having learned that that is
a best practice and as a result of the BID leadership having conversations with consultants, it is something
the BID leadership wants to do differently in the next iteration of the BID. While she initiated this agenda
item, she was pleased to say there has been collaboration and cooperation with city administration and
leadership of the Downtown Edmonds BID. BID President, Jen Lawson, Crow, and BID Advisory Board
Member Kimberly Koenig, Rogue, who have been part of the BID since its inception, are present virtually
to answer questions. Community, Culture & Economic Development Director Todd Tatum is also present.
As council prefers to have two touches before decisions are made and this is the first time council has seen
this, she made the following motion:
COUNCIL PRESIDENT OLSON MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TIBBOTT, FOR
COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM AND VOTE TO PLACE THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION
CONCERNING THE EDMONDS DOWNTOWN BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
WORKPLAN ON A FUTURE CONSENT AGENDA.
Councilmember Paine commented she was glad to see this come forward as it had been a source of
discussion. Having a review of the BIDs bylaws after 10 years will be important and effective for the
business community. Things change, perhaps this will be BID 2.0 and she looked looking forward to the
analysis and discussion about how the BID would be reconstituted. If a decision were made to reinitiate the
BID, she asked if it would be by petition or council action. Council President Olson said the workplan
according to the resolution will come back to council for approval. Mr. Tatum said that is unknown right
now; discussions are occurring with people who do this on routine basis. The intent is to develop a work
plan to show council how that process will occur.
BID Advisory Board Member Kimberly Koenig said BID leadership is just starting the process of
exploration with a consultant; the work plan will identify the path forward. The intent is to ensure best
practices are in place and the BID looks forward to future communication with council.
Councilmember Paine asked if the information on Municipal Research Service Center (MRSC) is still
accurate. Mr. Tatum answered yes, the law hasn't changed and MRSC's website reflects the most recent
and accurate law.
Councilmember Tibbott looked forward to the BID's work plan. One of the aspects he was interested in
was an evaluation of the effectiveness of the funding model and whether there were other ways to assess
businesses. There has been some difficulty collecting assessments in the past which raises the question of
the effectiveness of that model. Ms. Koenig commented all BIDs across the country never have 100%
payment; it is something all BIDs deal with.
Councilmember Nand complimented the BID leadership, commenting this is a very democratic solution to
questions that have been raised recently. She asked if the consultant fee would be funded by the BID and if
there was any request for a contribution from the City. Mr. Tatum answered there has not been a
contribution by the City. As a business owner who was previously located within the BID, Councilmember
Nand looked forward to the BID leadership engaging and incorporating ideas and suggestions from member
businesses to update the BID. She wished the BID good luck with the process and looked forward to the
final outcome.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10. COUNCIL COMMENTS
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Councilmember Nand recalled in 2022 after her pet rabbit, who was rescued from a meat breeder, died, she
wrote a letter to the editor which was published by My Edmonds News asking the community to support
banning backyard breeding at the local, county, state and national level. Due to last year's budget issues,
there wasn't a good time to bring that legislation forward. She plans to bring it forward soon and hoped to
have support from the community, administration and councilmembers to eliminate this form of animal
cruelty in Edmonds.
Councilmember Paine commented last week was a big week in terms of public participation in the
comprehensive plan and the waterfront plan and this week is another big week. A lot of information is
coming out; the comprehensive plan has been discussed for the last year and a lot of things are gelling now
and for the next 6 months. She encouraged the public to attend meetings and participate in tabletop
discussions. Saturday's open house was very well attended, and she appreciated everyone's interest and
participation in the discussion. Monday's design charette regarding the waterfront was also very lively and
she thanked residents for their input.
Councilmember Dotsch echoed Councilmember Paine's comments about the public's attendance at the two
meetings. She encouraged the public to stay engaged and provide input and sign up for announcements
regarding upcoming meetings and opportunities for input.
Council President Olson commented the community may be noticing the city attorney is not attending all
council meetings in person. As a cutting measure, each week the council president and mayor decide
whether the city attorney needs to attend in person. When the answer is no, he attends virtually. She assured
he is still providing great legal service virtually.
Councilmember Tibbott commented on the comprehensive planning process and addressed questions about
the numbers. The 13,000 or 30% increase in population is a number provided to the City via the GMA
process that the City has been asked to plan for and not something the City would have generated on its
own. It is apparent this area is in a crisis of success due to fantastic jobs, a high level of prosperity and
Western Washington is a great place to live so people are moving here. That crisis of success also requires
the City to accommodate additional population growth. Growth will change the way Edmonds looks and
feels, but the best course of action is to design and plan well and be involved in the planning process.
Councilmember Tibbott continued, another factor that put Edmonds in the spotlight is Edmonds is
considered a high -capacity transit city due to the light rail station which requires increasing density in places
that have access to high capacity transit. In his opinion, Edmonds was not served well by the planning
process related to high -capacity transit; for example, the new orange line ends at Edmond College and will
not come anywhere close to downtown Edmonds. He has been asking for improved east -west connections
for the past 10 years, but that has not happened, and he does not see it happening in the future. Edmonds
needs to speak up and insist state politicians and those planning light rail get real about what it will require
for Edmonds to participate, especially if the City is considered a high -capacity transit city. He has real
concerns about the comprehensive planning process but wants to ensure the City is designing well for the
anticipated growth.
With regard to the number of housing units, Councilmember Tibbott said he also did the math and came up
with 6,000 instead of 9,000. He assumed planners are anticipating more smaller houses and due to
Snohomish County's fair share goals, the City is supposed to have a high percentage of housing at 30%
AMI or less. As a result, there would be more houses with fewer people living in them.
Councilmember Chen announced and congratulated Carrie Mandak whom he appointed to the Economic
Development Commission (EDC). She has a tremendous amount of diverse experience that will benefit the
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EDC. When he interviewed her, she had fresh ideas about ways to bring economic development to the City
overall through art and capturing the momentum of development on Highway 99 including an idea about a
night market. He looked forward to the great work that she and the entire EDC do for the City.
Councilmember Chen commented on citizens' involvement in the comprehensive plan process last
Saturday. A lot of people attended the open house which shows residents do care. The City has many
challenges ahead including finances, comprehensive plan, developments, etc. but regardless of the
challenges, with strong support from residents, the council, administration and residents will pull together
and overcome the difficulties and come out strong. He looked forward to working with everyone to get
through whatever challenges lie ahead.
Councilmember Eck commented the City has very strong resident engagement as shown by the attendance
at Saturday's open house, last night's design charette regarding the waterfront and even new people who
made public comment tonight. There are a lot of important transitions and requirements the City is tackling
this year, and it is important to listen to everyone. Change is hard, including some of the things that the
council discussed tonight. There is empowerment by learning about each other, learning what is required
of the City and listening to what others need and putting yourself in others' shoes. She hoped everyone
remembers that when having these difficult conversations.
Councilmember Tibbott announced his appointment of Pete Spear to the EDC. He brings a wealth of
experience in analytics and he looked forward to his participation on the EDC.
11. MAYOR'S COMMENTS
Mayor Rosen thanked people who have participated at council meetings as well as other opportunities
including the charette, online survey, and emails sent to councilmember and administration. That is how
decisions are made and voices are heard. There have been several appointments during the past few weeks
and he thanked everyone who volunteers including the recent appointees to the Historic Preservation, Arts,
and Economic Development Commissions. The City has14 boards and commissions and a lot of great
volunteers.
Mayor Rosen advised his first State of the City on Thursday, March 28 at 6:30 p.m. at the Waterfront Center
will focus exclusively on the state of the City's finances. Everyone is welcome to attend and it will also be
available on Channel 21, YouTube and Zoom.
ADJOURNMENT
With no further business, the council meeting was adjourned at 8:58 pm.
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