2024-05-14 Council PSPHSP MinutesPUBLIC SAFETY, PLANNING, HUMAN SERVICES & PERSONNEL
COMMITTEE MEETING
May 14, 2024
Elected Officials Present
Councilmember Neil Tibbott (Chair)
Councilmember Chris Eck
Council President Vivian Olson(ex-officio)
Councilmember Susan Paine
Councilmember Jenna Nand
1. CALL TO ORDER
Staff Present
Michelle Bennett, Police Chief
Shane Hawley, Police Commander
Rod Sniffen, Assistant Police Chief
Jessica Neill Hoyson, HR Director
Emily Wagener, Human Resources Analyst
Scott Passey, City Clerk
Guests Present
Bill Sturgeon, Fitch & Associates
Bruce Moeller, Fitch & Associates
The Edmonds City Council PSPHSP Committee meeting was called to order virtually and in the City
Council Conference Room, 121 — 5th Avenue North, Edmonds, at 3:30 pm by Councilmember Tibbott.
2. COMMITTEE BUSINESS
1. Amending ECC 5.24.010 - Firearms and Dangerous Weapons
Councilmember Tibbott requested future agenda memos include a narrative.
Commander Hawley relayed this amendment adopts four state firearm ordinances into the City code,
allowing them to be charged in the municipal court as misdemeanor crimes related to possessing
dangerous weapons at voting facilities, open carry of firearms on state capitol grounds and municipal
buildings, unsafe storage of firearms, and large capacity magazines.
Questions and discussion followed regarding support for the amendments, and current ability to enforce
and charge in district court.
Committee recommendation: Consent Agenda
2. SN0911 ILA Updates
Assistant Chief Sniffen explained jurisdictions stated the ILA was unfairly balanced because the formula
used to determine who has voting members on the caucuses (board) is done by population. When
populations were revisited, it moved Lake Stevens into a caucus and moved Lynnwood out of a caucus;
there is no impact to the City of Edmonds or who serves on the board (currently AC Sniffen and
Councilmember Nand). The change to the ILA requires approval by the member jurisdictions.
Councilmember Nand briefly commented on the operation of SN0911 Board.
Committee recommendation: Consent Agenda
3. 2024 Wage Corrections for Chief of Police and Assistant Chiefs
Ms. Neill Hoyson explained in 2022 the council approved a separate wage schedule for police command
staff (consisting of commanders, assistant chiefs and chief at that time; command staff is now only
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assistant chiefs and chief as commanders are a represented group and are bargaining their contract)
with the intent to create a differential between the sergeants to address the issue of compression when
wages increase for union members. When the schedule was created, a delay in approval of the contract
was not anticipated which resulted in command staff not receiving their wage increases on January 1
at the same time as other non -represented employees.. Because the command staff is not a bargaining
unit, they legally cannot be provided retroactive pay.
The way to address the intent of what council approved is to increase the wage adjustment over the
remainder of the year to address the amount missed during the delay in approval of the contract. She
recommended council approve the additional wage adjustment for the assistant chiefs and chief to
provide the funds lost during the first three months of the year, a total of $21,000 which is currently
unbudgeted.
Questions and discussion followed regarding the funds not being budgeted, the police department
currently underbudget, the budget did not consider that settlement of represented commissioned group
would impact wages of command staff, $3M in the budget that assumes vacant positions, a suggestion
to identify the funding source in the agenda memo when this is on the Consent Agenda, and how this
will be addressed in the future.
Committee recommendation: Consent Agenda
4. Fleet Mechanic Job Description Revision
Ms. Wagener explained the title was updated to match what was agreed upon during the most recent
bargaining cycle. Minimum qualifications were updated to include CDL certification and air brake repair
and air condition certification and the time to obtain those certifications was changed from 6 months to
12 months to be consistent with similar jobs within the City. The authorized Emissions Specialist
Certificate and ASE Certificate within six months of hire was removed as it is no longer required by the
state.
Questions and discussion followed regarding whether the position has been filled and support for
updating the job description to be consistent with other positions.
Committee recommendation: Consent Agenda
5. Options for City of Edmonds Fire/EMS Services
Councilmember Tibbott explained this agenda item includes a resolution expressing the PSPHSP's
recommendation to authorize the mayor to pursue a preferred option and begin gathering information
and identifying a process. The intent is not to obligate the City to any particular option at this point and
not to discontinue further public dialogue and input or state that the study of this issue is complete. The
intent is to start a transparent public discussion among councilmembers regarding this resolution. This
is an opportunity to discuss the Fitch report, ask questions and make observations. The committee
expects to continue this discussion with full council in order to make decision. The committee will
recommend a preferred option in the resolution and the resolution will go to full council where there will
be opportunity to deliberate on the preferred alternative. The issue of fire service has been discussed
by council for over 10 months and the council is now beginning to collaborate and consolidate that
information into a decision making process.
Bruce Moeller, PhD, Fitch & Associates, responded to a council question regarding the cost of the RFA
compared to the annual cost of establishing an Edmonds Fire Department
• Annual estimated cost of an Edmonds Fire Department would be $19.2M with annual operations
and personnel cost of $18M, debt service of $2.2M offset with revenue from ambulance
transport.
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Assumptions regarding costs reflect:
o Bulk of cost (70-85%) is personnel. Fitch report identified need for 56 personnel, 51
operational personnel (in the firehouses working shifts) and 5 administrative.
o Used average wages/benefits SCF RFA is providing today. With nationwide challenges with
recruitment and retention, it will be difficult to hire personnel unless the City offers wage and
benefits competitive with surrounding communities.
o Retained same levels of service.
Dr. Moeller and Mr. Sturgeon responded to council questions and discussion followed regarding the
function of five administrative staff, additional City administrative staff (finance, HR and mechanic) that
would be required with an in-house fire department, depth provided by the RFA related to hazmat and
technical rescue, determining actual dates for timelines, scarcity of qualified applicants, timeline to
purchase fire and aid apparatus, average time to fill a firefighter position, sending a resolution to SCF
with the required RCW language if the recommendation is to join the RFA, assessed value calculations
and impact of a benefit charge, levy amount for establishing an in-house fire department versus joining
the RFA, hiring firefighters/paramedics versus paramedics, unit hour utilization factor in determining
when staff needs to be added, and decision points in determining when to add staff or equipment.
Councilmember Tibbott read the resolution:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EDMONDS,
WASHINGTON, STATING THE DESIRE TO PURSUE THE MOST
PROMISING OF THE FIRE SERVICE ALTERNATIVES AND AUTHORIZING
THE MAYOR TO PURSUE NEXT STEPS REGARDING THIS ALTERNATIVE.
WHEREAS, on December 19, 2023 South County Fire provided notice to City of Edmonds of its
intent to exercise its right under the contract terms to cancel the contract in two years' time; and
WHEREAS, the Council hired Fitch and Associates to conduct an unbiased and objective
analysis of the options available to the City with a vote approving the action on November 30,
2023; and
WHEREAS, Fitch and Associates collected data, spoke to stakeholders, and conducted data
analysis related to such options, and presented to Council on April 16, 2024; and
WHEREAS, the related final report was in the May 7, 2024 council packet and input on our
options was solicited from the public at this meeting; and
WHEREAS, Council discussed the Fitch report and the topic of the future of Edmonds fire
service at the council meeting with South County Fire and Rescue on March 26, 2024, with Fitch
and Associates on April 16, 2024, with the South County Fire Board of Commissioners on April
23, 2024, and at the PSPHSP Committee meeting on May 14, 2024;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED
1. That the City Council of Edmonds Washington selects as the preferred alternative
for future Fire and Emergency Medical Services, and authorizes the Mayor to pursue next
steps toward that end; and
2. The Council and public receive periodic updates on the work and the details of any transition
as the steps happen and as details become known.
Councilmember Tibbott asked Mr. Sturgeon to offer his opinion on which of the three options would be
best related to continuity of service as well as an ongoing long term solution. Mr. Sturgeon answered
SCF is a well -managed, excellent fire department providing service to the City. They have the capacities
and depth to do planning, procurement, logistics, etc. that would require a lot of time; time is of the
essence although he did not believe SCF would leave the City high and dry; and SCF runs a lean model
with cross staffing at two stations. He recommended the City annex into the SCF RFA.
Committee members relayed factors considered in making a recommendation to select annexation into
the SCF RFA as a preferred alternative including Fitch's unbiased report, the City's budget situation,
cost to the community, services the City is already receiving from SCF, time required to fill positions
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and purchase trucks and equipment, keeping the community safe, economies of scale, SCF high level
of skill in a variety of areas, SCF's long range planning which is important for growth, cooperative
agreements SCF has in place with surrounding municipalities, and funding mechanism to operate fire
service.
Committee recommendation: Full council with the addition of annexation into the SCF RFA as the
preferred alternative in the resolution
6. Ordinance Amending ECC 5.05 to Ban the Deliberate Breeding and Sale of
Companion Animals
Councilmember Nand explained the reason she was interested in adding this legislation to the City's
code is the state regulation related to the prevention of cruelty to animals allows up to 50 animals on a
property with intact sexual organs for the purposes of breeding as long as each animal is caged in a
space that is large enough to stand and move around (RCW 16.52.310), a situation often referred to as
a puppy mill. Information provided by the City's animal control officer indicated there is less of a problem
with breeding occurring in Edmonds because property is expensive. However, residents are targets for
animals produced by puppy mills. She relayed a Snohomish County councilmember's interest in
proposing legislation Edmonds passes related to banning backyard breeding and sale of animals at the
Snohomish County level. The narrative in the agenda memo outlines pros and cons such as the
significant amount the City pays to its contacted shelter related to unwanted companion animals that
end up in the City's custody. Everett and Bothell have attempted to address breeding activity and the
sale of animals with similar restrictions.
Questions and discussion followed regarding the level of the problem in Edmonds, reducing the cost
paid to the animal shelter, whether this amendment would prohibit responsible breeders, whether there
are backyard breeders in Edmonds, Councilmember Nand's experience rescuing her rabbits from a
breeder, deceptive practices by breeders, option 1 (ban the deliberate breeding and sale of companion
animals for profit) versus option 2 (restrict the deliberate breeding and sale of companion animals for
profit), preventing inhumane treatment of animals, accidental litters, civil penalty for violations, concern
with creating laws that penalize people with good intentions, cruelty in deliberate breeding, adopting
other animal welfare laws such as prohibiting cat declawing, addressing abuse and neglect while
considering a ban or restriction, and concern with staff required for option 2.
Committee recommendation: Full council
3. ADJOURN
The meeting was adjourned at 5:20 pm.