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2024-12-12 Historic Preservation Commission PacketAgenda Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission REGULAR MEETING BRACKETT ROOM 121 5TH AVE N, CITY HALL - 3RD FLOOR, EDMONDS, WA 98020 DECEMBER 12, 2024, 5:30 PM REMOTE MEETING INFORMATION: Remote meeting link: https://edmondswa- gov.zoom.us/j/87419346600?pwd=YmVIV1JQMjhiMjIrS25pUjY1Wk9BUT09 Meeting ID: 874 1934 6600 Passcode: 629853 This is a Hybrid meeting. The public may attend in -person or on-line. The physical location of the meeting is at Edmonds City Hall 1215th Avenue N., 3rd floor Brackett Room. You may call in to meeting:US: +1 253 205 0468 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1 346 248 7799 or +1 408 6380968 LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT We acknowledge the original inhabitants of this place, the Sdohobsh (Snohomish) people and their successors the Tulalip Tribes, who since time immemorial have hunted, fished, gathered, and taken care of these lands. We respect their sovereignty, their right to self-determination, and we honor their sacred spiritual connection with the land and water. Flag Salute Statement: The mission of the Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission is to promote historic preservation and encourage the owners of historically significant properties to voluntarily add them to the Edmonds Register of Historic Places in order to raise awareness and appreciation of local history. 1. CALL TO ORDER Roll Call 2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A. Previous meeting minutes 3. REQUESTS FROM THE AUDIENCE/COMMENTS 4. NEW BUSINESS A. Historic Preservation Commission Monthly Meeting 5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS 6. ACTION ITEMS 7. COMMISSION CHAIR COMMENTS 8. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission Agenda December 12, 2024 Page 1 9. ADJOURNMENT Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission Agenda December 12, 2024 Page 2 Historic Preservation Commission Agenda Item Meeting Date: 12/12/2024 Previous meeting minutes Staff Lead: Rose Haas Department: Planning & Development Prepared By: Michelle Martin Background/History N/A Staff Recommendation Review and approve minutes from November 14th meeting. Narrative Draft minutes attached. Attachments: HPC 11142024_Draft Packet Pg. 3 CITY OF EDMONDS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Summary Minutes of Regular Meeting November 14, 2024 CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL Chair Vogel called the meeting of the Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission to order at 5:35 p.m. Commissioners Present Larry Vogel (Chair) Sam Spencer (Vice Chair) Karen Brown David Preston (Remote) Tim Raetzloff Doug Trost MINUTES: Staff Present Rose Hass, City Liaison Others Present Michelle Thompson, CLG Coordinator, DAHP (online) Michelle Dotsch, Council Representative Steve Johnson, Johnson Oak Leaf Architecture Jennifer Harris (with ASL interpreter) Approval of October 9, 2024 HPC Minutes The October 9, 2024 HPC minutes were approved as presented. AGENDA ADDITIONS/CHANGES NEW BUSINESS Chair Vogel updated the Admin Register of Historic Places on the website. It was discovered that the ordinances were not indexed by date or by subject. It was suggested that they be linked out. The dates of the ordinances was changed from approval dates to effective dates. Everyone accepted the Old English script at the top. A list was passed around of people who have plaques and members updated the list so that it could be updated on the website. Edmond's Garden Tour is planned for this coming July and the Chairperson, Patty Fleming wants to do it in historic home gardens. Plans are underway. Flier distribution and ideas were discussed. They could be stuffed into ticket booklets and/or set out on tables. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes November 14, 2024 Pagel of4 Packet Pg. 4 The proof of the calendar was discussed. It will take five days to print 1000 calendars. There were no big changes or formatting changes. It was suggested that someone read it over one more time before it goes to print to check for misprints or any fatal flaws. Michelle commented on the descriptions written about the buildings, that they should focus on the buildings being architecturally intact in the exterior and interior from their original versions of 1910. REQUESTS FROM THE AUDIENCE/COMMENTS Steve Johnson from Johnson Oak Leaf Architecture presented with Jennifer Harris to make a public comment regarding planning and conceptual alternatives to the Edmonds Historical Museum. Steve presented with the goal of addressing the committee's concerns, He stated that they have done several things in planning to date: They surveyed what the museum needs in terms of meeting its mission, what it has in its collection and how it wants to move forward. He discussed the museum's layout and alteration history. The museum's mission and how the planned changes centered around the mission was discussed. Steve explained that one thing that the museum does not do right now is present all of its collection. There are some 30,000 items in storage. They want to expand that and provide more exhibits. Steve explained that they worked on programming with the museum. He mentioned that staff offices, exhibit prep areas, workshops areas, onsite storage areas, archival storage areas, a gift shop, an archival research area, and accessible restrooms are things that are not currently on site, but should be considered as an addition. He discussed significant building code deficiencies that were noncompliant such as exiting and accessibility. There is only one accessible restroom on the first floor. Steve explained that they do have a structural firm that specializes in historic preservation working with them on this. 2. Steve explained that they looked at several ways to expand and change the museum and presented several proposals for changes such as maintaining parking on the site, an improved entrance walkway, adding functional additions, and meeting program requirements. Changes included updating the windows, updating and changing mechanical structures and electrical fixtures, improving exhibit presentation areas, adding more natural lighting, changes with the walls such as color scheme, and modification of the existing entrance. Proposed additions of a new reception area, and a gift shop, a workshop, a roll up door, an exhibit prep area, and an addition/update of the stairwell and updates to the handrails were proposed. Changes to the storage areas and utility room, current fire exits, and modifications of the kitchen area were area changes that they were proposing. Sketches of the changes and how they would were presented to the group. The goal of Johnson Oak Leaf Architecture is that they are proposing changes to the museum in such a way that when the casual passerby sees the museum that they understand and realize that they're passing a historic building and would be able to distinguish which buildings are historical and which are not. A PowerPoint was presented: Questions about the expansion and changes were answered. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes November 14, 2024 Page 2 of 4 Packet Pg. 5 Q: Any hint of the architecture of the old building transferred to the back in terms of a theme, such as the band shaped windows? Is there anything that is going to tie the two together? A: It is invisible. There is an 8' high fence, houses, trees, garage. No one walks up the alley. We don't have enough distance minimum requirement on the fagade. Looking this as a blank wall. Our intent would be to leave it as a simple wall vegetated. Q: Is miniature rail road station going to be preserved or going away? A: It will stay. Having more light there would be a plus, so we might move it elsewhere in the building. Q: Was the elevator the only accessibility inside? A: That is the only way between the two floors inside. Q: What about outside? A: Main entrance is accessible. Q. Experience of someone coming in the lower area? If they go up the stairwell will they experience the grandeur? A: When coming in you get a visual cue here there's a building above you. Information about what's going on is there. Q: In addition to materials on south and east side, what are you seeing right now? A: It's a concrete cement based panel compatible with the base of the building. Would not emulate the detail and brick. Q: Materials on entrance doors. Door handles or hardware? I hardware original. A: Some of it's original, there are some ironwork, gates. Q: How is the southern addition attached to the museum? A: Not attaching is the goal, and make a waterproof seam connection. Patching it in the future is not impossible. Need to get attachment to the masonry correct. Q: Appreciate the skylight connection. Great idea. In the future, can we have conversation about profiles of the window, especially on the gift shop. A: We wanted to show floor plan and intention. Absolutely but we're not there yet. We don't have a lot of documentations in its various evolutions. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes November 14, 2024 Page 3 of 4 Packet Pg. 6 Larry stated that things look pretty good and there is no reason why they shouldn't move forward. All in agreement. Steve said that his approach is clearly acceptable, but the details are clearly unresolved, but he hears the concerns and will address those. Michelle stated that she did not see any red flags as of right now. Following the Secretary of the Interior standards, how do we differentiate the historic with the new but also making them compatible. The differentiation is there but when we get into more materials, etc. we can have more conversation about how to make them compatible. Steve left his contact information for everyone in case they have any additional questions. Steve gave permission for Rose to share the PDFs/Power Points with the members. ACTION ITEMS COMMISSION CHAIR COMMENTS Larry stated that he really appreciated this presentation. It was a wonderful overview of the project. It gave the committee a lot to think about. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS Sam Spencer mentioned the railroad museum. Pacific Fast Mail was one of the early and main distributors of mail order model railroad across the entire country. A copy of the Secretary of Interior Standard was available for anyone who wants to take it home and browse it. Please make sure to bring it back. It was also sent to everyone as a PDF via email. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 7:10 p.m. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes November 14, 2024 Page 4 of 4 Packet Pg. 7 Historic Preservation Commission Agenda Item Meeting Date: 12/12/2024 Historic Preservation Commission Monthly Meeting Staff Lead: Rose Haas Department: Planning Division Prepared By: Rose Haas Background/History N/A Staff Recommendation Informal discussion regarding budget constraints and upcoming elections. Narrative City Council has proposed pausing some boards and commissions for the next two years. The proposal is not finalized and this meeting should be conducted in the regular fashion. We can discuss options for continuing HPC under the new budget year, options for special meetings for design review (e.g., upcoming certificate of appropriateness for Carnegie Library building). We should also discuss electing a new chair and vice chair for 2025. Packet Pg. 8