2017-02-23 Disability Board MinutesOF EDP
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MEMBERS PRESENT:
Ken Jones, Chair
Gary McComas, Board Member
Dave Teitzel, Council Member
Jim Distelhorst, Citizen -at -Large
STAFF PRESENT:
Mary Ann Hardie, HR Director
Emily Wagener, HR Assistant
Sharon Cates, City Attorney
EDMONDS' DISABILITY BOARD
Meeting minutes
2/23/2017
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT:
None
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Ken Jones called the Board meeting to order at 9:30 am.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Upon review, Board Member Gary McComas questioned why the minutes from the 10/20/2016
meeting reflected the executive session discussion. Chair Jones indicated there was a question
regarding whether it was necessary to reflect a discussion that took place over executive session.
Ms. Cates confirmed that it is not necessary to have executive session discussions reported in the
minutes. After some discussion that followed by the Board, Chair Jones made a motion to
approve the minutes with the spelling corrections and omitting the executive session
discussion, but including the resulting decisions. Council Member Teitzel seconded the
motion. The motion carried.
DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF CLAIMS SUMMARY REPORT:
HR Assistant, Emily Wagener, reviewed the Claims Summary of October 1, 2016 and up to
December 31, 2016 as follows:
Summary Of Current Costs 10/01/2016 - 12/31/2016
Service
Number of Claims
Total Cost of Claims
Appeal Approved 10/20/16
5
$ 4,924.03
Deductible
3
$ 455.42
Dental Expenses
3
$ 397.00
Eye Expenses
3
$ 320.00
Hearing Aid Repair
1
$ 140.00
Long Term Care
6
$ 27,837.50
Prescription Co -Pays
6
$ 1,838.89
Grand Total
27
$ 35,912.84
The total expense for the period 10/1/2016 and 12/31/2016 was $35,912.84 with a total of 27 claims
for the period. The costs were comparable, albeit slightly higher, in comparison to the expenses paid
for the same period in 2015.
Ms. Wagener pointed out that the slight increase seemed to be due to higher reimbursements for
Long Term Care services. Ms. Wagener asked the Board if there were any specific questions about
the claim summary. Mrs. Hardie indicated that there are currently two LEOFF 1 members who are
currently using assisted living services which would reflect the higher costs for this period. Chair
Jones agreed and pointed out that the final number was still under the budgeted appropriation for
the 2016 year. Chair Jones indicated he thought a document was missing to show the costs for
Quarter 4 of 2015 and requested that this be provided with the next Board meeting claims summary.
Ms. Hardie confirmed that it would be provided.
Council Member Teitzel made a motion to approve the claims summary report for the period
10/1/2016 — 12/31/2016 in the amount of $35,912.84 based on medical necessity. Chair Jones
seconded the motion. The motion carried.
REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF LEOFF I RETIREE CLAIMS (REQUESTS FOR
REIMBURSEMENT)
C. Information as requested by the Board provided by a LEOFF 1 retiree's physician
(regarding evaluation of current status and continued need to use assisted living care
services) for the Board's review.
Mrs. Hardie indicated she had some additional information regarding this LEOFF 1 member's
correspondence and offered to go through the conversation she had with the member as follows:
• On June 1st the LEOFF 1 member had been having hip issues and a steel ball was
placed which fell out and the member had to have additional surgery.
• Currently the hip is out of joint and is not working. Options were to: rebuild the socket or
not have a hip. Doctors were not even able to place the ball due to the extensive
breakdown of the hip.
• The member no longer has a hip socket and is mostly wheelchair bound. In regards to
the bills that came in for long term care services, there is a second caregiving agency
that has been used at a slightly higher cost.
• In addition there are some discrepancies in billings for the board to review. There have
also been additional caregivers coming in for training.
• This LEOFF 1 member's family has difficulty finding caregivers that work well with the
member. They have gone through a number of trainees and end up paying for that
turnover.
• There are some equipment costs as well including an aspirator, which does not seem to
be working. Member indicated they have gone through five nebulizers and have not
submitted any of these bills. These nebulizers are supposed to have up to five year
warrantees, but the LEOFF 1 member's family member indicated that they go through
them quickly and they just don't work.
• Additionally, a hospital bed was also purchased for $650 and reimbursement was not
submitted for that. The spouse said that there are medical necessary purchases that they
have been paying for but he is not planning on bringing them forward for reimbursement.
• Other additional costs were: Medicare did not pay for bathroom equipment (a sliding
bench, chair swivels and safety seatbelts).
• Dr. Distelhorst indicated he was concerned that they were unable to hold on to their
caregivers and also indicated that the nebulizers are pretty strait forward and user
friendly.
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• Mrs. Hardie indicated that the LEOFF 1 member's condition is very combative [due to a
previous medical issue] and it has been an ongoing issue. Mrs. Hardie further indicated
this was an update on the member's condition due to the Board's request for this
information.
• Mrs. Hardie further stated that HR Assistant Emily Wagener had completed an audit of
reimbursements for this LEOFF 1 member's long term care costs.
• Ms. Wagener explained the audit was conducted on reimbursements for services
reimbursed from February 2016 through October 2016.
• The "baseline" approved reimbursement was calculated by the member's regular hours
of care per day for each day in a given month [monthly baseline amounts varied]. The
overpayment amounts were indicated based on extra services such as: alternate facility
charges, trainees, additional caregivers and holiday premiums. Ms. Wagener explained
that she wanted to make sure that this was an approved expense by the Board in order
to continue to reimburse it.
There was some discussion that followed by the Board about the holiday alternate facility
charges, trainees, additional caregivers and holiday premiums and the documentation provided
by the attending physician. Board Member McComas made a motion to cover the amount
determined in the audit to be an overpayment based on the holiday alternate facility
charges, trainees, additional caregivers and holiday premiums (in the amount of
$1,578.50). Council Member Teitzel seconded the motion. Chair Jones asked for any
further discussion. Hearing none, the motion carried.
D. Van seat repair/and or replacement for the same LEOFF 1 member of discussion (as in
item C) in the amount of $1,445.00- potentially up to $12,000.00
Mrs. Hardie brought up an additional potential reimbursement request for the same LEOFF 1
member of discussion as follows:
The member's spouse had contacted HR and notified them that the accessible van seat
had malfunctioned.
The spouse did not go back to the place where it has been repaired before due to
previous customer services issues; he went to Absolute Mobility Center in Woodinville,
WA. He was told that it would be a total of $1,445.00 to repair (not including the labor
and tax) and that he will be informed by 4/3/17 (by Absolute Mobility) if the repair will fix
the problem. Otherwise, if it could not be repaired, it could be around $12,000 to replace
the seat due to the change in available technology (from manual to automatic) and the
obsolescence of manual technology since the purchase of the original seat.
Mrs. Hardie brought up Council Member Adrienne's suggestion from the previous meeting that
D.A.R.T. could potentially provide transportation services. Board Member McComas indicated he
had looked into the D.A.R.T. service online and it seemed reasonable and may be appropriate in
this situation. Prior authorization is required to qualify; it is available 7 days per week with some
limitations.
There was some discussion that followed by the Board about this. Mrs. Hardie said she would
request further information from the member regarding the van seat repair costs and likelihood of
repair. Dr. Distelhorst also was curious about the frequency of use "continual medical and
appropriateness". Mrs. Hardie stated that she would request additional information from the
LEOFF 1 member and their doctor regarding the required use of the van as well as more
concrete estimated costs of repair (if possible) for the Board to review at the next meeting.
E. Additional assisted living care services (hour and days) for a LEOFF 1 member currently
using this service for 12-18 months.
Mrs. Hardie explained that there is a LEOFF 1 member who is currently requesting an increase
in long term care services for up to 6 hours per day, 7 days per week. Ms. Wagener confirmed
the current reimbursement costs are about 3 hours per day, 3 days per week, and a total cost of
$188.55 per week. Council Member Teitzel re-entered the room and indicated he had attempted
to call Adrienne [who was absent] and that he had been unable to reach her.
Chair Jones indicated the increased cost would be about $900.00 for 6 hours per day 7 days per
week of care. Dr. Distelhorst asked for confirmation if this was a terminal situation and Mrs.
Hardie confirmed it was terminal and for a projected period of 12-18 months. There was further
discussion that followed by the Board about holiday premiums paid for City employees. After
further discussion, Teitzel indicated that 4 hours per day seemed to be an appropriate
reimbursement amount. Council Member Teitzel made an amended motion to approve
expanded care of current assisted living care services for 7 days per week up to 4 hours
per day for the LEOFF 1 member of request. Dr. Distelhorst seconded the motion,
indicating that it was increasing care from 9hrs/ week to 28hrs/ week. The motion carried.
Council Member Teitzel then asked if a secondary motion was necessary for reimbursement of
the overtime [holiday premium] amount. Mrs. Hardie indicated that this would be appropriate.
Council Member Teitzel then made an additional motion to approve the additional
holiday/differential pay for the period for this particular LEOFF 1 member. Dr. Distelhorst
seconded. The motion carried.
F. Dental Insurance coverage - $363.93.
Ms. Hardie indicated that this request was submitted to the Board because the policy does not
list dental insurance premiums as reimbursable, only dental services. Chair Jones indicated that
he recalled that the Board had paid for dental insurance coverage up to the dental policy limit
each year in the past for LEOFF 1 retirees. He indicated that he recalled that a LEOFF 1
member had previously shown documentation showing that he/she had paid the insurance
premium cost. Chair Jones requested that FIR go back to review possible previous
reimbursements for dental insurance. Ms. Hardie stated that HR will go back through the records
to review previous reimbursement for this (if there are any) as Chair Jones recalls and will bring
this information back to the next meeting (for further discussion by the Board).
G, H, I & L. Medicare Insurance Premiums. Requested reimbursement for amounts over base
amounts ($787.20, $1,664.40 & 10.80) and Medicare Part D prescription coverage amounts
($152.40 & $393.60).
Ms. Wagener indicated the 2015 Medicare Part B premium amount had been $1,258.80 prior to
2016 and in 2016 that premium had increased dramatically (but that most beneficiaries did not
see an increase because they were "held harmless"). Those who were exempt from being held
harmless were in a higher income bracket and also pay a higher monthly Medicare Part B
premium amount. The actual 2016 premium without the held harmless amount was $1,461.60.
Ms. Wagener also indicated that the premiums for regular Medicare will be increasing again for
2017.
There was further discussion that followed by the Board coverage for Medicare Part D
[prescription insurance] premiums as it seems duplicative with the current, City -provided
AMWINS LEOFF 1 Medicare supplemental prescription insurance plan. Chair Jones indicated it
would be very difficult to find out if there was truly a cost savings to the city for LEOFF 1's being
"double covered" for prescriptions. Mr. McComas proposed a policy for Medicare Part D
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premium reimbursements to include information about the fact that the LEOFF 1's already have
prescription coverage through the City's plan and that if they choose to enroll in Part D, the
premium will not be reimbursable/reimbursed by the Board. Ms. Hardie indicated that she and
City Attorney Sharon Cates would work together on a policy and provide some kind of
notification to this effect to the LEOFF 1 members ASAP.
Board Member McComas made a motion that, as long as the city provides prescription
insurance coverage for the LEOFF 1 members, they will not be reimbursed for Medicare
Part D premiums. Dr. Distelhorst seconded the motion. The motion passed. After further
additional discussion on this topic by the Board about Medicare Part D premium reimbursement,
Board Member McComas made an additional motion that the LEOFF 1 members of
discussion who had already submitted their Medicare Part D premiums would be
reimbursed for the amount of premiums paid that they submitted for reimbursement [as
of the date of the February Board meeting under Item G, H, & 1]. Additionally, a
notification letter would be sent to LEOFF 1 retirees indicating no further premium
reimbursements under Medicare Part D would be approved by the Board or reimbursed.
Dr. Distelhorst seconded and the motion carried.
After additional discussion by the Board as to what total amount of Medicare Part B premium
reimbursement the Board would provide to LEOFF 1 members, Board Member McComas
made a motion that the already submitted Medicare Part B premiums for 2016 for LEOFF 1
members (above the typical $1,461.60 amount) submitted [as of the date of the February
Disability Board meeting] would be reimbursed by the Board and the adjustments to the
policies to reflect the previous Board's decision should be effective going forward. Chair
Jones seconded the motion and the motion carried.
J. DRAFT POLICY REVIEW/APPROVAL (from the October 2016 Board meeting)
Ms. Wagener indicated that she noticed a need for clarification issue with draft policy #13-17
(Reimbursement of Prescriptions for Male & Female Sexual Dysfunction) in that the total
reimbursement limit is $250.00 but it was not clear how often (i.e. annual, quarterly, per
prescription, etc.) this was eligible for reimbursement. After some discussion on this topic by the
Board, and given that Board Member Adrienne Fraley-Monillas was unable to be in attendance,
Board Member McComas questioned having a standalone policy for Sexual Dysfunction
medications as he believed it should be covered along with other medical conditions and should
not require its own separate policy.
There was further discussion that followed by the Board about the new draft policies on
Reimbursement of Prescriptions for Male & Female Sexual Dysfunction and Generic Drug
Requirements (#14-17). After some discussion by the Board, it was determined that these
policies would be further reviewed at the next board meeting for further determination of
approval.
Chair Jones adjourned the meeting at 11:04am