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July 31, 1984 -continued that the staff prepare landscaping plans for each of the three legs of the triangle. In regard to financing, Ms. Shippen said, in prior years the utilities had paid half of the cost in the right-of-way and the City earmarked $50,000 per year of.the utility tax with a maximum of $150,000. The PUD agreed to set aside 2% of the Edmonds revenues, up to three years, and allowed the City to draw on that fund in advance. She said the City could also ask for G.O. bonds or the quarter cent real estate tax could be earmarked. ~he said other priorities are being considered but asked that any tax revenues be spent within the boundaries of Edmonds in areas frequented by residents of all ages. Councilmember Jaech pointed out that the comment concerning spending money within the city limits referred to the Meadowdale property which lies within the city limits of Lynnwood. Maureen Pierre, 21423 92nd Ave W., said it was apparent that every person present shared a common love for Edmonds and its unique and beautiful qualities as.well as a common goal to preserve the essence of the City while enhancing its economic base. She said the goal will be met because of the strong feeling evidenced. Ms. Pierre suggested the Council set up a series of meetings paralleling the D-DAT meetings providing an opportunity for interested citizens to brainstorm the issues as they are raised. Ray Martin, 18704 94th Ave. W., in reference to the building heights, asked the newer members of the Council to express their opinion in regard to a hypothetical situation in which a 40 1 building height were proposed. Councilmember Wilson said he would be opposed to that situation. Council-member Hall said she was opposed to a 40 1 height. She pointed out that there are some roofs in the downtown area that are 29 1 high and are acceptable, so these facts must be carefully examined. She also stated that she is opposed to condominiums in the downtown area. Councilmember Dwyer said he would oppose a 40 1 building height. In addition, he said he would oppose any effort to change or alter the building heights downtown. He said it would be an inequity to raise the heights, since it would penalize those people who are complying with the code and would reward those people coming lat~r who might build higher. Mr. Martin thanked the Council for their response?. Councilmember Dwyer read a note from Jean Yost, 536 Walnut St., which also included pictures of the building project at 555 Walnut St. depicting the problem of a.halt in construction and the resultant impact on a neighborhood. She asked why higher buildings are being constructed since they obstruct views and impact the neighborhood visually. Councilmember Jaech said her views on building heights had not changed since her election five years ago and adamantly opposes any change in building heights. She believes there is one change that should be made, to add language concerning a two story limitation. She explained that a development on sloping land may take the height average of the four corners of the building envelope. This allows a taller building since land may be excavated and a four story building could be built. The very thing, she said, the City has tried to avoid. Mayor Naughten acknowledged the presence of State Representative Katie Allen in the audience and introduced Student Representative Steve Dahl of Meadowdale High School. The Mayor then thanked the Edmonds Chamber of Commerce for co-hosting the Town Hall meeting and furnishing the cookies. The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 p.m. LARRY ~.f.~21~ August 7, 1984
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Mayor Pro Tern
Jo-Anne Jaech in the Plaza Meeting Room of the Edmonds Library. All present joined in the flag
salute.
PRESENT
Jo-Anne Jaech, Mayor Pro Tern
Steve Dwyer
Laura Hall
Bi 11 Kasper
John Nordquist
Lloyd Ostrom
Jack Wilson
Steve Dahl, Student Rep.
ABSENT STAFF PRESENT
Larry Naughten, Mayor · Jim Adams, City Engineer
Mary Lou Block, Planning Director
Art Housler, Finance Director
Jim Jessel, Property Manager
Pat LeMay, Personnel Director
Bobby Mills, Actg. Pub. Wks. Supv.
Jackie Parrett, City Clerk
Dan Prinz, Police Chief
Steve Simpson, Parks & Rec. Dir .
. Jack Weinz, Fire Chief
Scott Snyder, City Attorney
Shirlie Witzel, Recorder
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech asked those wishing to speak concerning agenda items to sign up on the sheet
provided by the door. She announced there would be a short executive session following the regular
meeting.
CONSENT AGENDA
Items (B) and (G) ~ere removed from the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMEMBER HALL MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMEMBER KASPER, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. The approved
items on the Consent Agenda included the following:
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(A) Roll call..
(C) Adoption of Ordinance 2448 relating to posting of ordinances.
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(D) Adoption of Ordinances 2449, 2450, and 2451 authorizing bank financing for property and.
computer purchases.
(E) Passage of Resolution of Intention 264 changing hearing date on LID to fund a water loop
in area of Edmonds Waterfront to November 5, 1984.
(F) Passage of Resolution 594 setting date of September 4, 1984, for public hearing on
. proposed vacation of right~of-way along 12th Ave. N. {ST~l-84). .
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(H) Set date of August 21, 1984 for hearing on. Pl.anning Board recommendation regai;-ding new
regulations for homi day. care operations. · · · ··
(I) Authorization for Mayor to sign contract with Morse Stafford Partnership to. provide
architectural services and interlocal agreement with Snohomish County for the 1984 Senior
Center Block Grant Project.
(J) Approval of 1984 Snohomish County jail contract.
(K) Acceptance of Quit Claim Deed from Darrell Carpenter.
(L) Report 6n ~ids opened July 26, 1984 and authori.zation to award port~ble generator contract
to Fremont Electric Co .. in.amount of $19,044.35.
(M) Report on bids opened August 1, 1984 and authorization to award contract for waterproofing
of Senior Center to Cascade Masonry i.n amount of $19,049.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JULY 24, 1984 AND JULY 31, 1984 [Item (B),on Consent Agenda]
Councilmember Kasper asked that the July 24, 1984 minutes, page 4, first paragraph, second line
following the words 11 proceed with the project.11 be amended to include 11 0nly if Edmonds matched
Lynnwood, would Lynnwood put up money for the project.11
. Also, paragraph 11, page 4, second line,
following the words 11 which are needed" include 11 not reduce the use of fields that exist.11 COUNCIL-
MEMBER KASPER MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HALL, TO APPROVE MINUTES OF JUL~ 24, AS AMENDED, AND
JULY 31, .1984.
Councilmember Jaech questioned the source of funding for the D-DAT Task Fore~ minutes that was
approved on July 24 {page 6 of.the minutes). Finance Director Art Housl~r suggested the funds could
come from the Council's Professi.onal Services line item. COUNCILMEMBER KASPER MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMEMBER HALL, TO AMEND THE MbTION TO INDICATE FUNDS FOR THE. D-DAT TASK FORCE MINUTES BE TAKEN
FROM DEPARTMENT 110 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES SECTION. AMENDMENT CARRIED WITH COUNCILMEMBER JAECH
VOTING NO SINCE SHE HAD VOTED AGAINST THE FIRST MOTION ON JULY 24 .. MAIN MOTION, AS AMENDED,
CARRIED.
PROPOSED RESOLUTION 595 ADOPTING OPTION TO DEFER INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS
[Item (G) on Consent Agenda]
Councilmember Kasper was. opposed to voting on this item because the-City is dealing with Unions on
benefits to employees and this is a benefit to the employees and should be held in abeyance until
such time as there is an opportunity to negotiate with the Union. Councilmember Jaech said the item
involves no cost to the City. Councilmember Hall said these are 11 cafeteria plan 11 benefits available
in the private sector, that there is .no cost to the city, but there is a morale factor. Council-
member Kasper said there were many morale factors in negotiations and he believes this should be a
negotiated item. Councilmember Ostrom indicated the Council should approve the item; first,. it does
not cost the City anything and, second, it is the type of thing that is being approved in any type
of business. City Attorney Scott Snyder, in reply to Councilmember Kasper's question, said the item
had been discussed briefly at a prior Council meeting during which City Attorney John Wallace had
expressed concern that this should be·a negotiated item. Mr. Snyder said there were two legislative
actions that Mr. Wallace had thought might be ti.ed together. The item now before the Council, which
gives an option to the city to defer income tax on employee contributions to the state retirement
systems and is without cost to the City. The other was substitute House Bill 843, which passed
along to the City the incremental costs of balloon payments on a person's retirement. House Bill
843 will be discussed during Executive Session next week. After review, Mr. Wallace had decided the
two measures wer~ not balanced and should not be linked. ·
COUNCILMEMBER KASPER MOVED THAT THE ITEM BE MOVED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON AUGUST 14 FOR DISCUSSION.
Councilmember Ostrom reiterated that passage of the resolution makes an option available to employ-
ees that seems to be their right, not something that should be debated. Since there was no second,
COUNCILMEMBER KASPER WITHDREW THE MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER KASPER MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER
HALL, THAT RESOLUTION 595 BE PASSED. MOTION CARRIED.
AUDIENCE
Gordon Rosier, 16105 N. Meadowdale Rd., asked the Council to publicly recognize Jerry Hauth of the
Engineering Department for the job he had done during construction of the sewer project at Meadow-
dale. Mr. Hauth handled complaints, resolving them to everyone's satisfaction, and was always
polite and courteous. Mr. Rosier said he had done an outstanding job for the residents of Meadowdale.
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Mr. Rosier asked who the Council had in mind to pay for the undergrounding of utilities at the
Meadowdale pump station, since it it will cost ten times more than was originally intended. He
believes it is irr~gular to ask the residents of Meadowdale to pay for this before contacting them.
Councilmember Kasper noted that Mr. Adams had stated the cost could be ~dded to the LID and advised
Mr. Rosier the question would be researched and an answer furnished him. Mr. Rosier said none of
the residents were anxious to pay any additional costs.
Then Mr. Rosier asked what progress was being made in determining the heavy metals content in Browns
Bay. He had talked with the County and Lynnwood, learning that nothing was being done. He asked if
the Edmonds Council might join with Lynnwood, Mountlake Terrace, Alderwood Manor and Snohomish
County to determine if there is a heavy metal content.problem. He said the clams show 300-500%
greater lead and arsenic levels than they should have. He also asked if a public forum, either
through a hearing or mailing, could be held to inform. the public about pollution and how they may be
contributing to the problem .. Councilmember Ostrom replied that a report from the County several
months ago indicated they would be conducting a study which would examine this problem and the
CouQcil had been waiting for the final results of that study. Mr. Rosier said a study is being
conducted but the heavy metal content is not included. Councilmember Kasper said if Mr. Rosier does
not receive an answer from the Council he-will take it to the Health Board meeting in September.
Councilmember Hall indicated that the problem may be larger than any one entity could handle and
suggested that a Metro may be necessary. She indicated that Edmonds may be the impetus to start the
process. She also indicated that Mr. Hauth had been recognized by the Council.and thanked Mr.
Rosier for bringing the matter up and concurring with the Council. Councilmember Kasper asked that
the staff contact Lynnwood and determine what studies have been made of the treatment plant outfall.
Mr.:Rosier then asked when the appropriate time would occur to challenge a member of the Council
regarding Item 4 on the agenda. Mr. Snyder replied that a challenge should be made at the earliest
possible opportunity. Councilmember Dwyer pointed out there is an intervening item on the agenda
and any challenges should be made at the time of the agenda item.
Karl Niggol, 809 Walnut St., said sidewalks on 9th St. are overgrown with blackberry vines and
bushes making it necessary to walk in the street. He asked if the Council could direct property
owners to clean up these obstructions. Mr. Snyder said the Council does have that right, if the
city·right-of-way is involved, and suggested Mr. Niggol speak with Acting Public Works Supervisor
Bobby Mills regarding the problem.
PRESENTATION ON COUNTY HUD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM
Planning Director Mary Lou Block introduced the HUD Block Grant Program contact from Snohomish
County, Marc Krandel. Mr. Krandel described the Block Grant Program, which benefits low and
moderate income people. He said the income levels in Edmonds have precluded any benefits from many
of the programs included in the Block Grant Program; however, there have been.benefits to Edmonds
over the years. He noted that the next three year .cycle is beginning and applications will be
accepted prior.to October 1 of this year. Acceptance of applications and allocation of moneys is
determined by an Advisory Board and the County Council. Mr. Krandel then presented a slide show of
the Block Grant Program in Snohomish County.
HEARING ON APPEAL OF ADB DENIAL OF TRANSMISSION LINE PROJECT ALONG WALNUT ST. BETWEEN 3RD AVE. S.
AND 96TH AVE. W .. (APPEALLANT: SNOHOMISH COUNTY PUD)
As a result of conversations with the City Attorney, Mayor Pro Tern Jaech advised the PUD that she
lives on Walnut St. and asked if the PUD objected to her sitting on the Council during the hearing.
Stephen Lamphear, Snohomish County PUD Legal Department, indicated that the PUD had hoped there
would not be a hearing this evening in view of the ruling to be made by the Hearing Examiner. Mayor
Pro Tern Jaech stated that.the Council had attempted to delay the hearing until. after the Hearing
Examiner's decision; however, there were time frames requiring that the appeal be held before that
decision would be available. Mr. Snyder said the Council has the option of taking testimony of
those persons present and continuing the hearing; and taking testimony, closing the hearing, and
continuing for a decision until the other item has been decided.
Mr. Lamphear said, as the appellant, the PUD would request a continuation of the hearing. Issues
raised at the variance hearing before the Hearing Examiner would be important to the matter before
the Council and, Mr. Lamphear said, it would behoove the Council to wait for that decision since
this proceeding might become moot. Mr. Lamphear said the PUD would object to Mayor Pro Tern Jaech's
presence during the hearing. In response to a question from Councilmember Kasper~ Mr. Lamphear said
they have no objection to public testimony this evening and continuation to another ~ate for a full
·hearing, if necessary. Councilmember Dwyer asked if the Council had the option of discussing the
objection. Mr. Snyder said the Council may discuss it but not the hearing on its merits. He added
this was not a technical conflict of interest under City ordinances or state statute which provide
specific exception for a person in a hearing when they live in the neighborhood or where the real
property affected is thei~ home or principal residence. The issue raised is the Appearance of Fair-
ness Doctrine, not whether there is an actual conflict but whether it appears that there may be a
conflict. Councilmember Hall said there is a fine line, if this is applicable to citizens city-
wide. If individual actions lead to actions which involve all citizens, she said they must be
careful from a legal standpoint. Mr. Snyder said the Appearance of Fairness Doctrine is probably
the least understood from a legal standpoint. It rarely arises except in cases where a decision is
being overturned and it is very difficult to predict in advance how a court would decide. Council-
member· Dwyer said. the test for the Appearance of Fairness Doctrine is whether a disinterested person
sitting in the audience would believe that the hearing was tainted by the participation of any one
mernber or members. In a memorandum received from the PUD, the PUD has stated that if the Council
c'h'ooses to require that this project be placed underground they will impose an LID on the entire
City in the amount of $3 mill.ion or $100 for everyone living in the City, including Council members.
Therefore every member of the Council has an Appearance of Fairness problem in voting on an issue
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that would potentially cost them $100. Councilmember Kasper disagreed, since Council members have
been asked to vote on matters in the past that would tax them directly. He said at this point the
Council does not know if the LID would be city-wide or just for the street. Mr. Snyder said there
were e~ceptions made for those~situtations'fn·which ~ll,members tif a·,hearing pan~l would be dis-
qualified, allowing them to·continue. However, he said the Council should limit themselves to
consideration of the ADB requirements, the space frames and structures which hold above ground
utilities and the requirement they have a neat and uncluttered appearance, and . that the poles have
conductors in vertical alignment; which are narrow issues having a sp~cifit imp~ct only on those
persons owning property that are.in line of sight. Councilmember Dwyer asked the PUD to be more
specific as to the grounds of their objection.
Mr. Lamphear said the PUD was not coming forward to challenge Councilmember Jaech, they had been
asked whether they wanted to challenge her. He said they responded affirmatively based on the fact
that Councilmember Jaech lives on the street that is affected and there have been prior.comments
that would indicate there may be an Appearance of Fairness problem. He said, if the actual hearing
were to be held later and there were just the taking of public testimony this evening, they would
have no objection to the whole Council hearing th~ citjzen comment. Mr. Snyder said the Doctrine
applies across the board and would include any participation this evening. If the Doctrine is
raised, h~r presence would present a problem. The legally safe thing to do in the situation would
be for Mayor Pro Tern Jaech to step down; however, that decision belongs to the person challenged.
Mayor Pro.Tern Jaech asked the Council to vote on the question. Councilmember Hall indicated the
decision rested with the Chair. Mayor Pro Tern Jaech refused to step down. Councilmember Kasper
asked if ~h~ would be willing to step down from the Chair since there is a differerice between
listening to testimony and running a meeting. Mayor Pro Tem.Jaech said she would only be reading
the list of names of those wishing to speak.
Councilme~ber Ostrom raised a point of order regarding what the Council is to hear and decide upon.
In reading the decision of the ADB; the application was denied because the poles and wires exceed
the height limit and Mr. Snyder had suggested there were other areas to be considered. Mr. Snyder
said the hearing is a de novo appeal which means the Council is required to give no deference to
either the' decision or the testimony before the ADB. He said Section 18.05 provides that lines of
115 kV or great~r ar~ exempt from undergrounding requirements~ They are required to comply with
three provisions contained in 18.05.030, which relate to the visual effects. The first provision
does not apply, item 2 of Section 18.05.030 relates to poles presenting an uncluttered appearance,
and item 3 concerns conductors being in a vertical alignment.
Planning Director Mary Lou Block asked for clarification of the Council's wishes. Do they wish to
have the item introduced, take testimony from interested parties and then continue the item.
Councilmember Hall said she interpreted that to.be the intention since this had been posted as a
hearing. The Council agreed. COUNCILMEMBER HALL MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER.WILSON, TO CON-
TINUE THE HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4 AFTER THE COUNCIL .HAD HEARD PUBLIC TESTIMONY THIS EVENING. Council-
member Kasper asked what would happen if the Hearing Examiner decision were appealed; COUNCILMEMBER
HALL MOVED TO'CHANGE THE DATE TO SEPTEMBER 18, AGREEABLE TO SECOND .. MOTION CARRIED. Mr. Snyder
explained to the audience that the issue before the Hearing Examiner concerned a variance from the
height restfiction; the issue before the Council is the visual appearance and alignment of the
poles.
Mr. Lamphear asked which would take precedence if the Hearing Examiner grants a variance to the PUD,
there is no appeal, and the Council decides to uphold the .ADB decision. Mr. Snyder said the Council
handles this type of issue quite frequently. One is a condition of the grant of the other. If the
variance is granted the poles may be built above the height restrictions, but the Council still has
the right to impose conditions on the type of pole used, the alignmenti the number of lines, etc.
Ms. Block~~aid the appeal of the ADB ~ecision to deny the transmission line project along Walnut St.
between 3rd ave. S. and 96th Ave. W. was brought by the PUD. The ADB recommended that the PUD study
more thoroughly the possibility of undergrounding all of the lines. She described the information
before the Council and displayedtransparencies of the project. Councilmember Ostrom asked Ms.
Block to define a typical 115 kV overbuild construction. She said it is a configuration used to
provide systems with a separation between the various lines with 115 kV as the top series, 12 kV as
the second series of wires and a lower line such as telephone or cable.
Mr. Lamphear said the decision of the ADB seems to revolve around the 25' height restriction for
structures. It did not appear the decision was made based o~ configuration of lines and the neat-
ness with whi~h the project would be built. The variance before the Hearing Examiner was th~ 25'
height restriction for structures. He said the PUD does not agree that it is subject to a 25'
height restriction and has made application for a variance.out of cooperation with the City of
Edmonds to resolve the issue. The PUD had appeared before the ADB for.the review of aesthetics,
design and configuration of the project. He said the staff had told the ADB that the PUD needed to
apply for a variance from the height restriction and that was what the matter revolved around. Mr.
Lamphear stated that the PUD is a self-regulated municipal organization, the same as the City. He
said the PUD is not opposed to undergrounding anywhere in the County, but does oppose imposition of
payment for undergrounding on anyone other than beneficiaries of undergrounded utilities. The PUD
pays for the cost of building and maintaining overhead designs which are the most cost effective
and reliable for delivery of service to customers. He sai.d they would be happy to underground lines
in any area,·pro\i~ded financing is made available to do· so. At the ADB hearing, the PUD offered to
pay the same amount for undergrounding of this one mile of wires as they would have paid for the
overhead lines. Mr. Lamphear said the rebuilding project is to serve the inoperative Edmonds sub-
station which serves a number of residences and businesses in the 11 bowl 11 of Edmonds. Surrounding
substations at Westgate, Five Corners, and Maplewood are now serving the area since it is summer and
the demands are lower. However, the Edmonds. substation needs to be energized by this winter to
provide. reliability' of service for the area. He said the PUD notes that they are subject to certain
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provisions of the Edmonds Community Development Code which regard utilities. Ordinance 1387 deemed
transmission facilities in excess of 55 kV would not be required to be underground. The Edmonds
substation is the last one in Snohomish County to be converted from 55 kV to 115 kV and the bene-
ficiaries of this conversi6n are the residences and businesses in-Edmonds. The substation will
provide the PUD the ability to serve its customers·more reliably. Conversion of the transmission
line on Walnut St. will involve raising the height of the existing poles approximately six feet, he
added. ·
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech pointed out to the PUD representative that the issue of height is not being
considered by the Council this evening. Mr. Snyder reiterated that this is a de nova hearing and
the Council is not obligated to consider the record, that the issue is fresh before it tonight. Mr.
Lamphear asked what issue the Council would like to consider if they are not hearing what was before
the ADB.
Councilmember Ostrom asked if the Council is considering the height issue as mentioned in the ADB or
if they are looking at Chapte~ 18.05 and asked for clarification.
Mr. Snyder reiterated that the issue before the Council is that portion of Chapter 18.05 which
applies to the appearance and alignment of poles ahd wires. The Council will eventually need to
make findings; whether the lines involved are greater than 55 kV, whether the lines are cluttered
and whether the conductors are in a vertical alignment. Councilmember Dwyer stated that the ADB had
suggested the PUD look further at undergrounding the line and ask~d if it was a proper function of
the· ADB to consider whether the lines should be undergrounded based on design. Mr. Snyder said the
ADB may have made that as a request but had no power to require it, since the ordinance states that
wires greater than 55 kV are exempt from undergrounding.
Since the issue before the Council is the visual effect of the lines that are to be rebuilt, Mr.
Lamphear said he would call on a PUD engineer to present the design of the proposed project. He
added that the PUD does not dispute the City's authority to regulate the PUD as to certain items,
such as redesign of the poles which does not conflict with State statute. He said they are not
opposed to undergroundin~ but advised that more than a year would be required to acquire the
materials to do sb. Something must be done about energizing the Edmonds substation this winter,
before any undergrounding is undertaken because of the reliability question.
Don Berkey, PUD engineer, showed a picture of the conductors and voltages that are being discussed.
He explained that the PUD has been converting. from the 55 kV to 115 kV system for better efficiency
and reliability. The proposal is to replace the existing three wires with three new wires. The new
wires on Walnut come from a 115 kV line now existing on 96th Ave. W. In response to a question from
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech, Mr;. Berkey said, to his knowledge, there were no 55 kV lines on 5th Ave. at any
time. Mr. Berkey then explained the various options that had been ~onsidered in this project. He
said that every other pole on Walnut was now 60 1 high while the inner span poles are 45 1 high. The
tall ones will be replaced with poles that average 6 1 higher and the top three conductors will be
replaced wit~ new ~ires that are larger in diameter than the old ones. The wires in the middle and
lower series will remain in approximately the same place. Councilmember Hall said one would think
the PUD wo~ld have found a way to underground these cables by this time. Mr. Berkey said 15 years
ago they were looking forward to building underground; however, the cost of undergrounding
has increased and will continue to do so faster than the cost of overhead.
Councilmember Dwyer asked for an estimate of the households that would be affected in terms of
fmpaired reliability. Mr. Berkey said there are 4300 customers serviced by the Edmonds substation
including those served by adjacent substations that would benefit from improved reliability. He
described the electrical loads on the four substations during the past winter and the need to pro-
vide reserve capacity in the event of transformer or substation failure. In the event of a Maple-
wood substation overload, approximately 500 residences would be affected. Another scenario involv-
ing failure of the Edmonds substation could result in disruption to the waterfront and the ferry
terminal. He said a transmission line with a substation in Edmonds is the only realistic system to
consider. In reference to the ~ertical alignment, there are other framing standards that would
place the conductors in a different configuration, but the one presented has been found to be the
least objectionable. He said Walnut is the shortest and most direct route, but there are other
routes that could be followed. Mr. Berkey explained that installation of the 115 kV lines would
allow the PUD to remove or shorten existing poles along 12 blocks: removal of 8 poles, shortening
19 poles, installing 16 new poles that will be taller than the old ones, removal of 3 conductors for
12 blocks and replacing 3 conductors with 3 new ones for 7 blocks. These removals can only take
place if the 115 kV lines are installed.
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech opened the hearing.
Gordon Rosier, previously identified, challenged Mayor Pro Tern Jaech 1 s presence during the hearing.
He asked the City Attorney if he agreed with her decision. Mr. Snyder said he could be in a posi-
tion of defending the decision and declined to answer. Mr. Roser said he disagreed with the deci-
sion made by Councilmember-Jaech to remain during .the hearing, since she could be the recipient of
$3 million ·Of undergrounding, and questioned her ability in any further decision making process that
requires her sitting as a Council person.
In response to a question from Mr. Rosier, Councilmember Hall said the hearing would be continued
and future testimony would be accepted. Mr. Rosier said the implication was whether he likes under-
grounding or not. He noted that no one likes 60-70 1 poles with wires attached, but the issue is one
of fiscal responsibility to the City of Edmonds and.the rate payers in Edmonds. He said it is
intolerable to think that 1.5¢ per kw hour could be .added to his current rate, bringing it up to
6.5¢ per kw hour and the City would be the recipient of 5.2¢ for the electric utility tax. He said
he is not opposed to undergrounding, only to a rate payer outside the benefit area being obliged to
pay for undergrounding. He asked how many of those present to testify live outside the downtown
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core of Edmonds and expressed doubt that residents outside that core are aware of what the issue
involves.
In response to a question from 'Mr. Rosier, Councilmember Hall said the City could ask the PUD for
the substation costs. Mr. Rosier expressed concern regarding the total cost of the undergrounding
and the substation and the cost that might be borne by all residents of the City'. In response to a
question from Mr. Rosier, Mayor Pro Tern Jaech said, if the Hearing Examiner decision is appealed to
the Council, the two items will be combined for one hearing. Mr. Snyder said the issues being
raised such as cost are usually·a part of a variance hearing.
Councilmember Ostrom raised a point of order since the discussion was not pertaining to the issues
before the Council. Mr. Snyder noted that if the variance is appealed, the Council will be con-
sidering many of the same issues on identical testimony.
Dan Carroll, 717 Cedar St., said the overbuild would impact the view property value of ·his home and
he would like to see a day when the natural beauty of the· community was visible without looking at a
myriad of overhead utility wires· and poles. He said the current ordinance establishing a 25 1 height
limitation for structures makes it impossible·to .. provide aerial power to the city without a vari-
ance. A joint cooperative effort between the· City, citizens and utilities.would.establish a climate
that could lead to an undergrounding policy which would provide undergrounding of objectionable
aerial systems. Not all power and telephone service have to be underground, he said. He suggested
formation of a group to devise a.comprehensive plan for cleaning up the aerial plant in Edmonds. He
noted that utilities must live with, .. cos.t·considerations and.the ·citizens must be'willing to meet
them half way. He reviewed the project, observing that selection of Walnut St. demonstrated lack of
consideration for the impact on a residential view area .. He believes the 115 kV line should be.
built, but feels there are more appropriate routes. He recommended that the Council support the ADB
decision but advise the PUD to engineer a more appropriate route and assure them the necessary
variances will be granted.
Eleanor Bonanno, 820 Walnut St., expressed her appreciation for Councilmember Jaech's presence.
during the hearing. She said the 115 kV line benefits everyone in Edmonds and the surrounding
areas. She noted that the wires .existing on Walnut at present are a very good example of clutter.
She expressed disbelief that undergrounding is as expensive as quoted. The current poles are 30
years old, need to be replaced and this would be a good time to put everything underground, some of
the poles are being held up by the wires now. When the street was paved, she noted that pipes had
been placed under the paving for telephone wires but they have not been put underground. She said
people on Walnut St. should not have to take the higher poles and larger wires.
Frank R. Bigford, 720 Walnut St., agreed with Mr. Carroll's remarks and suggested that he would be a
good candidate for the Planning Board. He said the only views that surpass those of Edmonds may be
in Hawaii. He feels the wires should be underground and charged to everyone in the City. since they
will all benefit. He said there will be more multiple residences built which will also use the
electrical power· that will be available from the Edmonds substation. Councilmember Dwyer asked if
Mr. Bigford felt the rest of the citizens of Edmonds would-be willing to pay the additional $100 for
the undergrounding at Walnut and how many of these projects they would be willing to bear at a time.
Mr. Bigford said he would be willing to pay for another's share but agreed that this should be pre~
sented to everyone and felt v~ry few people actually know what is involved.
Ewart Harris, 425 7th Ave. S., understands the· concern of the people on Walnut St. regarding
undergrounding the wires. He said his view would not be impacted; however, he is concerned about a
$3 million project assessed against his property. He would be willing to pay a modest assessment
and is not against undergrounding. He said he is retired and would like to continue enjoying that
retirement.
Peter Challman, of Arnies Restaurant, 300 Admiral Way., noted that this is a complex iss~e. and
commmented on the beautification and service that would be provided. He would hate to see a prece-
dent set by the Council requiring or changing an interpretation of the law on heights of utility
poles. He feels it would be dangerous for the Council to say the poles in town come under a height
restriction, thus requiring the PUD to look at the entire system. The City and PUD should work
together for a broad based plan. He urged the Council to listen to the appeal and rule in favor of
the PUD at this point, strictly based on.the height of·the poles.
Dave Griffith, of Alan BMW Saab, 21420 Highway 99, spoke on behalf of the South Snohomish County
Chamber of Commerce and said the Chamber is not opposed to undergrounding. The areas involved are
those of economics -who will pay for undergrounding on Walnut St. If the expense is borne by the
area of the Edmonds power station, it will cause a great hardship for rate payers of the area. The
most recent figures indicate that rates would go up 13-14% over a period of five years. If the cost
factor were applied to the entire City of Edmonds, there would be an increase of 5-7% over a 5 year
period. His business would have an increase of $400 a year or $2000 over 5 years. As a business
person, he would like the Council to address the area of economics in their decision. The cost
involved will make the PUD's recommendation the most economical solution.
Since there was time remaining, Mayor Pro Tern Jaech gave those people who had not signed up an
opportunity to speak at this time.
Lindsey Echelbarger, property owner at 555 Walnut and residing at 23614 107th Pl. W., expressed
interest both as a property owner and rate payer. He had·spoken with the PUD concerning the cost of
undergrounding. From the standpoint of economics, he said they are talking about $750,000 per mile
for undergrounding 12 kV distribution lines. Looking at a cost of undergrounding 12 blocks on
Walnut. for $3 million, he suggested the Council consider undergrounding 4 miles of downtown streets
for the same cost. The question raised by Mr. Rosier, whether the citizens of Edmonds will be
willing to pay for a 12 block area, is a good point and believes it would not be a very popular
stand.
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Karl Niggol, previously identified, said the residents of Walnut St. would not be the only benefi-
ciaries of the power from the substation. Actually the businesses and residents of the downtown
area will be benefitting rather than Walnut St.
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech closed the hearing since there were no others wishing to speak and noted that
the hearing would be continued to September 18.
AUTHORIZATION FOR MAYOR PRO TEM TO EXECUTE AMENDED. CONTRACT WITH TASTE OF EDMONDS
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech outlined the request before the Council concerning the fee for Video machines at
.the Taste -0f Edmonds. She asked for authorization to execute an amended Taste of Edmonds Contract
to provide for Special Occasi-0n Video Game Permits at a fee of $25.QO per machine and a $50.00 Video
Game Distributor license fee. Councilmember Ostrom questioned the need for video machines at the
Taste of Edmonds and their purpose. He stated these machines are inconsistent with the idea of the
function. Chris Matt, of the Quintana Rao Restaurant and Chairman for the Taste of Edmonds, ex-
plained that the main reason and concern is to provide entertainment for the children present at the
function. He said they would like to keep the-Rids out of the City flower beds and hoped these
machines would assist in that goal. The money received last year was only $150~200 on 8-10 games.
He said they can do without them but the entertainment provided last year, such as the moon walk,
will not· be available this year. COUNCILMEMBER NORDQUIST MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER WILSON,
TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR PRO TEM TO EXECUTE THE AMENDED CONTRACT WITH THE TASTE OF EDMONDS. MOTION
CARRIED.
MAYOR
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech requested that copies of the minutes from D-DAT task force meetings be furnished
to the Council.
She noted that the staff would like to know the position of the Council regarding youth in the City.
Councilmember Hall said the Council loves them. Councilmember Nordquist noted that a hearing is
scheduled on the extended agenda for September 4 to discuss this subject.
Mayor Pro Tern Jaech asked Mr. Snyder to review the history of the ferry and why the Port has :
jurisdiction over the ferry. Mr. Snyder replied that the Port owns the property, leases it to the
ferry system and has done so for the last 30 years.
COUNCIL
Councilmember Kasper asked if the letter from Mayor Naughten to the CDBG Technical Advisory
Committee regarding downtown pedestrian improvements had been before the Council. Ms. Block said
the proposal had to be provided within a one and a half day period and there was no opportunity to
bring it before the Council. Councilmember Kasper said time spans must be provided to allow the
Council to see these proposals before they are submitted. He said he is not against the Block Grant
program but wishes to insure there are no excessive architectural costs as there have been in the
past. The projects are costing the City a lot of money just to get things done and he stated it is
·not always a proper use of the money. Ms. Block said the next funding cycle is imminent and she
asked the Council for their input concerning projects they would like to see submitted. The
applications must be ready for submission by October 1. She suggested a work meeting might be
scheduled for the Council and staff.
Regarding the Mayor's reorganizational update, Councilmember Kasper expressed concern regarding the
screening process being developed. He noted that City personnel are screening candidates and elimi-
nating all but 15 people. He felt it is improper for staff to review future heads of departments,
the review should be from the top down. He said he was not challenging the people doing the screen-
ing but disagreed with the principle. He added that no notifications should be sent out until the
Mayor returns and screens the applications himself. He feels the system is in question and should
be set aside and examined by the Council.
Councilmember Ostrom expressed agreement, he had questioned the same thing. Having staff screen
their future supervisors does not seem the correct procedure.
Councilmember Nordquist noted that, in the past, a courtesy has been extended to the legislative
body to look over the applications. He said the philosophy is the Council's, designed in the
spring, and concurs that at least the courtesy of looking at the applications should be extended to
the Council.
Councilmember Hall also questioned the process, noting that her reservation contained nothing
personal toward the staff involved and suggested that the staff might also be uncomfortable in this
task. She said this is not indicative of how the Council wishes th~ City to be managed and ques-
tioned expenditute of $3,000 for an Assessment Center. Since the Mayor will be working with the
person selected, he should be the one ,to select the candidate, affording the Council the opportunity
to approve that selection.
Councilmember Kasper expressed the hope that the Council would be ~ffo~ded time to consider the
person selected and not be expected to approve the selection at the same meeting in which it is
presented. He said this is a major job and the person must be checked out thoroughly.
Councilmember Hall announced that a Candidate's Fair would be held on September 13 from 8-9 p.m. at
the United Methodi.st Church on Casper St. She encouraged everyone to attend.
Councilmember Kasper announced that the Community Services Committee meeting was cancelled.
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The meeting was recessed to Executive session at.9:55 p.m. and adjourned at 10:05 _p.m.
CLfNEG:PARRETT, City Clerk
'August 14, 1984 -Work Meeting
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Mayor Larry
Naughten in the Plaza Meeting Room of· the Edmonds Library.· All present joined in the flag salute.
PRESENT
Larry Naughten, Mayor
Jo-Anne Jaech
Steve Dwyer
Laura Hall
Bi 11 Kasper
John Nordquist
Lloyd Ostrom
Jack Wilson
ABSENT
·Steve Dahl, Student Rep.
STAFF PRESENT
Jim Adams, City Engineer
Mary Lou.Block~ Planning Director
Art Housler, Finance· Director
Jim Jessel, Property Manager
. Pat LeMay, •Personnel Director
Bobby Mills, Actg. Pub. ·Wks. Supt.
Jackie Parrett, City Clerk
Dan Prinz, Police Chief
Steve Simpson, Parks & Rec. Director
Scott Snyder, City Attorney
. Shirlie Witzel, Recorder
Mayor Naughten removed Item 6(C), Nonrepresented Personnel Employee Benefits Program, from the
Agenda because a consensus could not be reached on the proposal at this time. ·
CONSENT AGENDA
Items (C) and (D) were removed from the Consent Agenda by Councilmember Kasper. COUNCILMEMBER HALL
MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER. JAECH, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION
CARRIED WITH COUNCILMEMBER NORDQUIST NOT PRESENT DURING VOTING OR DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
The approved items on the Consent Agenda included the following:
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of minutes of August 7, 1984.
(E) Final subdivision approval for the Plat of Pine Ridge Lane, loc~ted at 8507 and 8519 204th
St. S. W. (P-2-84/Helleren).
(F) Authorization for Mayor to sign Interlocal Agreements with Snohomish County for following
projects: Downtown Pedestrian.Improvements (HCD 1983 #32). and Boys' Club Improvements
(HCD 1983 #33).
AUTHORIZATION FOR MAYOR TO EXECUTE LEASE WITH BURLINGTON NORTHERN RAILROAD TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION
OF FENCE AT EDMONDS MARINA BEACH AND TO EXECUTE INDEMNITY AGREEMENT. WITH PACIFIC NORTHWEST BELL
[Item (C) on Consent Agenda]
Councilmember Kasper asked what basis was used in determining the length of the proposed fence and
whether the lease was a way for the railroad to avoid liability for the property. Parks and Recre-
ation Director Steve Simpson explained that the length of the fence was predicated upon obtaining
use of the area south of the oil pier. That use. is now being negotiated with Union Oil. He said
the fence would not be installed prior to completion of the negotiations and, if the City should not
obtain use of the southern area, the fence would not extend that far.
City Attorney Scott Snyder noted that the City already has the liability and is aware of it, since
the right-of-way is being used to access the southern part of the Union Oil Beach. Elimination of
the hazard by installation of the fence seemed to be the quickest, cheapest, and best response to
the liabil.ity problem. Councilmember Kasper asked if a fence were planned for the area north of
Main St. along Sunset Ave. where several trails cross the railroad tracks. Mr. Simpson said the
area was a little different since there was not the ease of access on Sunset Ave. that exists along
the tracks at Union Oil. In response to a question from Councilmember Kasper, Mr. Simpson said the
$350 cost was based on the standard railroad figure per lineal foot for an easement. COUNCILMEMBER
KASPER MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER JAECH, TO APPROVE THE LEASE AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT AND
AUTHORIZE $350.00 FOR LEASE PAYMENT. MOTION CARRIED:
AUTHORIZATION TO IMPLEMENT WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM .[Item (D) on Consent Agenda]
Since the period for water conservation is nearly past, Councilmember Kasper suggested this item be
moved into the 1985 Budget, setting it for February or March. ·Council member Hall agreed that
spring would be a more appropriate time for introduction of this to citizens. Acting Public Works
Superintendent Bobby Mills noted that water .conservation is a year round program and several of the
measures included in this plan are for conservation within the house. Funds are available in the
Water/Sewer Fund 411 even though. this was not budgeted as a 1984 item. He said the need is just as
great now as it would be next year. Mr. Mills recommended.that the program be implemented even
though the summer season is nearly past, because there is a current water shortage in nearby nearby
areas. Mayor Naughten noted that conservation also benefits the City. Mr. Mills added that the
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