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08-10-10 Public Safety CommitteeMinutes Public Safety Committee Meeting August 10, 2010 Elected Officials Present: Council Member D. J. Wilson, Committee Chair Council Member Adrienne Fraley-Monillas Council Member Diane Buckshnis Staff Present: ACOP Gerald Gannon Fire Marshal John Westfall PW Director Phil Williams The meeting was called to order by Chair Wilson at 6:20 p.m. A. Interlocal Agreement between the City of Edmonds and Edmonds School District for football game security. Assistant Chief Gannon discussed the Interlocal Agreement with the Edmonds School District. He advised that Edmonds Police Department has provided security at the Edmonds School District Stadium for football games for several years. This service has been provided without an Interlocal Agreement, but with a more informal annual contract. All past costs incurred by City have been reimbursed by the School District. If approved, the Interlocal Agreement will extend through August 31, 2013. The agreement covers the terms, services to be provided, and responsibilities of off duty police officers providing football game security. The Interlocal Agreement has been approved as to form by the City Attorney. Committee members DJ Wilson and Adrienne Fraley-Monillas approved the Interlocal Agreement for the Council Consent Agenda. Action: Forward to City Council Consent Agenda with a recommendation to approve. B. Residential fire sprinkler system (RFSS) stakeholder discussion. RFSS stakeholders were invited to the meeting by Chair Wilson. Guests included Snohomish FD#1 Deputy Fire Chief Steve Sherman; Master Builders Association South Snohomish County Manager Jennifer Jerabek; Snohomish County- Camano Association of Realtors Government Affairs Director Ryan Mclrvin; and Edmonds Developer and resident Michael Echelbarger. Public Safety Committee Meeting August 10, 2010 Page 1 of 4 Introductions were made. Public Safety Chair Wilson introduced the discussion and informed newcomers of efforts on this agenda item to date. The intent is for all stakeholders - fire, builders, water purveyors, insurance industry, installers, et al - to work together in finding an agreeable solution that balances the risks and benefits of the public safety proposal for the installation of fire sprinkler systems in dwellings. Councilmember Wilson described the process for the RFSS agenda item as a collaboration in a community mind that will be agreeable to all interests, or at very least, not entirely objectionable to any stakeholder group. His goal is to remove the emotions from stakeholders' positions for the sake of rational discussion. He hopes that a rational discussion will not be reduced to a "saving lives vs. saving jobs" stalemate. Councilmember Fraley-Monillas distributed an email discussion from Mayor Cooper dated 8/9/10. Fire Marshal Westfall described the state of the 2009 International Residential Code (IRC) regarding residential fire sprinklers in all new one-, two-family, and townhouses. The State of Washington removed the requirements from IRC in an amendment and packaged the requirements so that cities and counties could independently discuss and approve them at local level. The work in committee has brought us to three options for endorsement: 1) all dwellings; 2) dwellings exceeding 3,000 square feet; and 3) dwellings exceeding 5,000 square feet. Remodels are not part of the ordinances. Ms. Jerabek distributed literature from the Master Builders Association. She explained that Master Builder members were opposed to the sprinkler ordinances for a variety of reasons. Members do not like mandates to home construction, smoke alarms were adequate to save lives by alerting residents to smoke from fire, and the cost of the systems mean additional costs for homes. The customer may not want the system; she prefers to allow the buyer option for installation of RFSS. Councilmember Fraley-Monillas suggested that residential sprinklers will provide the next step in home safety beyond smoke alarms. Ms. Jerabek likened these to seat belt and air bags in vehicles. Airbags remain optional equipment and options can be purchased to improve safety performance. Deputy Chief Sherman refuted points in the Master Builder literature. Fire sprinklers will eliminate the threat of fire, while alarms, when working, still require the occupant to be of sound mind and body to escape while the fire burns. Firefighters are just putting on their gear at the station following an alarm dispatch when a sprinkler in a house fire opens. Public Safety Committee Meeting August 10, 2010 Page 2 of 4 Fire Marshal Westfall spoke to the costs of the installations in Edmonds, where the City and Olympic View Water District provide water services. There was discussion of costs for design, installation, permits, water meter and connection cost. There is no backflow assembly required on "flow -through" fire sprinkler systems because water continues to move and no threat of cross contamination exists. In a flow -through design, water in the sprinkler system is same as domestic water used for laundry, sinks, and toilets. Flow -through designs are now allowed instead of traditional, static systems that are isolated from the domestic water with a backflow device. Static design requires annual backflow assembly maintenance, approximately $100 per month, according to Robinson Plumbing, who installs sprinklers and performs this maintenance service. Public Works collects service reports by mail notification from Water Quality. Fire inspectors will not enter the premises except in emergency circumstances or with warrant for probable cause of fire code violation. Public Works Director Williams suggested that costs savings could be provided in City water rates. General Facility Charges (GFC) are calculated by the size of meter and anticipated rate of usage. A 5/8"-3/4" meter GFC is approx $900 where a 1" meter GFC is approx $2200. Because a residential sprinkler will not be providing a greater rate of flow except in emergency, the Council could exempt the upsized GFC when a meter increase is required due to fire sprinkler design. Mr. Echelbarger was president of Master Builders Association and an Edmonds builder for 30 years. He believes sprinklers are to smoke alarms are what a 5- point aircraft harness is to a seatbelt, and unnecessary. Mr. Mclrvin commented upon Mayor Cooper's email regarding the statistics that only six homes exceeding 5,000 square feet had been constructed since 2007. He noted that 30 homes were constructed exceeding 3,000 square feet. He feels that the present economy and development downturn underestimate the effect during a good economy, where many more houses would be developed. Councilmember Fraley-Monillas feels that a 5,000 s.f. starting threshold could be further reduced as success at that level is shown. Ms. Jerabek and Mr. Echelbarger both expressed concern over threshold "creep". Discussion continued about limiting council revisits to sprinkler threshold reductions. Chair Wilson asked the stakeholders if they could be agreeable to 5,000 s.f. if 1) the ordinance limited the revisit period to the 2012 International Code cycle that would be adopted in 2013, and 2) if the ordinance included the language described by Director Williams, eliminating the GFC cost overage to fire- sprinklered houses. Stakeholders agreed to return to their groups with the proposal and return to next committee meeting. Public Safety Committee Meeting August 10, 2010 Page 3 of 4 Action: Staff was directed to bring this item back to the September Public Safety Committee meeting with options for proposed ordinance. The meeting adjourned at 7:55 p.m. Public Safety Committee Meeting August 10, 2010 Page 4 of 4