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2004-04-08 Historic Preservation Commission MinutesHISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES April 8, 2004 1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL The meeting of the Edmonds Historic Preservation Commission was called to order at 3:30 p.m. in the 3rd Floor Conference Room of City Hall, 121 — 5t1i Avenue North. PRESENT ABSENT STAFF PRESENT Gregg Arnold, Chair Barbara Kindness - Excused Star Campbell, Planner Stephen Waite, Vice Chair Ed Baker - Excused Rob Chave, Planning Division Manager Darrell Marmion Chuck LeWarne OTHERS PRESENT Michael Plunkett Susan Boyle, Historic Inventory Consultant 2. ANNOUNCEMENT OF AGENDA A report on what the Planning Board would be doing regarding non -conforming buildings was added as a third bullet item under Item 7a. 3. READING/APPROVAL OF MINUTES COMMISSIONER MARMION MOVED THAT THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 12, 2004 COMMISSION MEETING BE APPROVED AS REVISED. COMMISSIONER LEWARNE SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. COMMISSIONER LEWARNE MOVED THAT THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 11, 2004 COMMISSION MEETING BE APPROVED AS REVISED. COMMISSIONER WAITE SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, WITH COMMISSIONER MARMION ABSTAINING. 4. REQUESTS FROM THE AUDIENCE There was no one present in the audience. 5. DESIGNATION REVIEWS There were no design reviews scheduled on the agenda. 6. UNFINISHED BUSINESS There was no unfinished business scheduled on the agenda. 7. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS a. Administrative Subcommittee Reuort Report on Status of ADDlicants for Doing the Invento Commissioner LeWarne introduced Susan Boyle, from the firm of BOLA, who has been hired by the City to be the consultant for the City's Historic Survey. BOLA was selected after an interview process conducted by Mr. Chave, Ms. Campbell and Commissioner LeWarne. He advised that this group just spent the past hour prior to the meeting at the Museum familiarizing Ms. Boyle with what is available there. Susan Boyle said she is enthusiastic about working on the historic inventory project for the City. As she has gotten to know more about what the Commission is trying to do, she realizes that the inventory is an important step. She looks forward to not only doing a very thorough study that meets the requirements of the City and the Office of Archaeology and Historic Preservation, but also helping the Commission raise awareness and appreciation within the community regarding historic sites. She said that she has already gained insight into the pride that exists within the City, and she feels she can contribute to this. She advised that her first degree in college was in art history, and she followed that up with an architecture degree. She has had her own company or been in partnership with others for two decades. She has learned to focus on historic properties because that is what she likes to do, including studies of historic sites, landmark nominations for local and national registers, surveys for government entities and private properties, and plans for rehabilitation and restoration. She advised that her firm focuses on work within the public realm. Ms. Boyle said she really loves doing historic survey work, and she is anxious to work on the project with Mr. Chave and Ms. Campbell. She said they plan to work throughout the summer months. There are specific deadlines for when the draft will be due, and she is thrilled about the large amount of research material that is already available at the Library and the Museum. She felt this would really help in her work. Commissioner LeWarne distributed a copy of the proposal that was presented by Ms. Boyle. Ms. Boyle said she looks forward to talking to Commissioners who have done work within the City and to architects who might have known some of the early architects in the City. She said she looks at this as a collaborative process. Council Member Plunkett recalled Ms. Boyle's statement that her work centers around the public realm. He inquired if her work for the City would include a review of historic homes. Ms. Boyle said that her firm has done work involving historic homes, but their focus is on public buildings. They have worked with a lot of non-profit organizations to convert historic houses to museums, such as the Bigelow House in Olympia, which dates from 1854. They are also currently working with the City of Auburn on a farmstead house. In addition they have done two house -like restorations for the City of Tacoma within the Fort Nisqually site. She emphasized that her firm focuses their planning and architectural efforts on public projects. They specifically focus on historic properties, and she enjoys doing research and nominations. Council Member Plunkett recalled that Ms. Boyle mentioned she might be able to help with public awareness. He said that hiring a consultant and beginning the historic inventory process is very important to the community. He suggested that this would be an opportune time to publicize the efforts that are being made by the City staff, the consultant and the Commission. He inquired if Ms. Boyle's contract would allow time for her to work with the Commission's Communications Subcommittee on developing a small plan that would help build awareness. Ms. Boyle said that she and Mr. Chave are in the process of finalizing the contract for the survey. The contract is grant driven and has certain expectations placed upon it by the grantor. While the end report will meet the requirements of the grantor, she also tries to write her reports in a compelling way, including illustrations of then and now. She said there would likely be an opportunity at the end of the survey process to present the information at a public forum. Mr. Chave clarified that Ms. Boyle will not really be able to work on the type of project that Council Member Plunkett is suggesting, but they Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 2 will attempt to use all of the information that is pulled together as part of the survey process in their efforts to increase public awareness. Mr. Chave suggested that the Commission could work to put together some public information that could be used to publicize the consultant's findings. Council Member Plunkett agreed and said that is why he asked if the consultant would have time to work with the Communications Subcommittee with respect to what she is doing and give them some ideas about how to publicize this information to the community. Ms. Boyle said she believes she can do this as she works with Mr. Chave. She said that because she has done these kinds of surveys before and participated on a historic preservation commission before, she knows that how the information goes out to the public is very important. People can become confused if they are not clearly informed about what is taking place. As she works in the field, she will try to explain the Commission's goals to the people she comes in contact with so that historic preservation is brought forward in a positive fashion. Being able to distribute the Commission's brochure would also be helpful in this process as a public information tool. Chair Arnold suggested that if the consultant or anyone else sees any pitfalls that the Commission should watch out for as they do publicity or if anyone comes up with some clever hooks, they should contact someone on the Communications Subcommittee. Ms. Boyle said she could provide some comments and suggestions to the Communications Subcommittee via the email. Mr. Chave cautioned that the consultant's contract is going to be very tight. Ms. Boyle said it is important for the Commission to invite people into the process. They should be clear about the potential downsides and address any City concerns. She said she wants to help the Commission do this as much as possible. However, the grant will not pay for all of the consultant's time on a regular billing process. Commissioner LeWarne pointed out that Ms. Boyle indicated while visiting the Museum that she hoped that at the culmination of the survey, the Commission would hold some kind of public forum at which the survey could be presented and discussed. Ms. Boyle agreed that it would be important for the Commission to share the survey results with the public. Many people whose homes and buildings are older will likely already be aware of what is going on. But for those who are not, it would be helpful to invite them to a celebratory session and help them start to appreciate and come together his historic preservation efforts. Mr. Chave said staff is in the process of finalizing the contract, and once this has been completed, Ms. Boyle will start her work in May. Ms. Boyle said she has driven around the City on three occasions, and she has the maps and information provided by the staff. She has visited the museum and the public library to discuss their holdings. She understands the research materials that are available. The first phase of the project will be researching the history. Then the fieldwork can be started. Report on Status of Grant Requests Commissioner LeWarne said he was charged with the responsibility of inquiring about grant requests and applications. He said there are two sources of funds the Commission could apply for: the Edmonds Tourism Tax and Washington Trust for Historic Preservation. He said he wrote to Linda Karl in the Mayor's Office to find out what the schedule is for the 2004 Edmonds Tourism Tax. Last year the deadline was in the fall, and he suspects it will be the same this year. He said he would follow up on this. He said he also checked with the Washington Trust for Historic Preservation, and they do have a fund titled "Valerie Sivinski Washington Reserves Fund" which is a bi-annual grant program that provides up to $1,000. It would be appropriate for the Commission to apply for this grant to fund the historic preservation brochure. The original date for the grant application is April 301, and the director of the Trust has e-mailed him stating that the Commission's brochure would fall within the type of projects they fund. Commissioner LeWarne said he plans to go ahead with the Washington Trust for Historic Preservation Grant application. However, they only give their grants to members of their organization. He said he is an individual member of the trust, but the entity that is applying must also be a member. The director has indicated that the Commission must purchase a membership in the trust, which is $70 for a government level membership. Mr. Chave said the City has funds available to join this group if they have not done so already. He said staff would look into the matter. Ms. Campbell said she would forward the Washington Trust for Historic Preservation's website address to each of the Commissioners. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 3 Update on Planning Board's Work Related to Non -conforming Buildings Council Member Plunkett recalled that at the last meeting, he informed the Commission that he had asked the Planning Board to consider adding the Edmonds Register of Historic Places to the City's non -conforming building regulations. This would allow properties on the Edmonds Register of Historic Places to be restored even if they are non -conforming. The Planning Board's initial response was that they were too busy to consider this item. However, with additional information, the Planning Board Chair has now concluded that the Planning Board could consider the request soon. Once completed, this change would put in place the ability for historic properties to be completely restored, and this could be considered an incentive for historic preservation. Mr. Chave said the Planning Board hearing on this issue is scheduled for either April 281 or May 121. b. Communications Subcommittee Report Report on Public Forum/Celebration Status Chair Arnold said he does not have any new information to report regarding the status of the public celebration event. Council Member Plunkett suggested that the event be related to the results of the survey and the completion of the inventory. Chair Arnold agreed this would certainly provide a reason for a public forum. Mr. Chave concurred and reminded the Commission that the consultant has indicated her desire to have the inventory completed within the next four months. Chair Arnold inquired if the consultant's proposal contains enough information for the Communications Subcommittee to do a press release. Mr. Chave answered affirmatively. Chair Arnold said he would use the proposal as a reference when preparing the press release. Mr. Chave suggested that the subcommittee also reference to the State Contract Grant requirements, which provide more details about what is actually being done in the survey. Council Member Plunkett said the press release should include a paragraph specifically describing what will take place. Ms. Boyle noted that any documents that are produced as part of the grant project must have a certain block of text acknowledging that the project is funded in part by the grantor. Mr. Chave said he would e-mail Chair Arnold a copy of the grant contract. Brochure Status Chair Arnold reported he has not heard any further comments or suggestions for change from the Commissioners. He reminded the Commission that Dave Marty provided his services free of charge to design the brochure. Council Member Plunkett pointed out that the incentives outlined in the brochure do not match up with the incentives that are identified on the videotape. He suggested that the incentives in the brochure should be reworded to be consistent with the way they are presented on the videotape. He noted that the videotape refers to reconstruction and restoration, which are two distinct incentives, but neither of these terms was used in the brochure. He volunteered to take on this task. Chair Arnold agreed that would be helpful. They agreed to work together after the meeting to make these corrections. Commissioner Marmion said that if he were writing the brochure, he would change the punctuation in the words, "It's not too late, yet" to "It's not too late... Yet." COMMISSIONER LEWARNE MOVED THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT AS ITS MOTTO, "IT'S NOT TOO LATE, YET." COMMISSIONER MARMION SECONDED THE MOTION. Council Member Plunkett suggested that the Commission table the motion and consider the proposal for a month before they take action to adopt this phrase as their motto. Chair Arnold said he, too, would like a month to think about the proposal. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WITHDREW HIS MOTION. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 4 Commissioner Arnold asked that this issue be scheduled for discussion at the next meeting. Commissioner Marmion noted that if the Commission adopts this motto, they would have to change their letterhead, as well. Commissioner LeWarne referred to the picture of the library and noted that the correct title for this structure is the Edmonds Museum. Council Member Plunkett suggested that the brochure should also indicate that this structure is now identified on the Edmonds Register of Historic Properties, which is the correct term for the City's register. Chair Arnold expressed his desire that this be the last round of changes for the brochure so that it can be printed as soon as possible. It is not fair to ask the graphic designer to keep making changes each time the Commission reviews the brochure. He noted a typographical error on the bottom left hand corner on the right side. The little line needs to be deleted. In addition, there is a misspelling on the fifth line under the "Why" paragraph. The word "sprit" should be changed to "spirit." The Commission discussed the format that was used to list the Commissioner's names. It was suggested that bold type be used for the names of the Commissioners, if possible. Council Member Plunkett asked Ms. Boyle for her thoughts regarding the draft brochure. Ms. Boyle said the brochure appears to be a great document. She agreed that the advantages and incentives must be stated clearly and consistently so that people have a clear understanding as to what the exact incentives are. Chair Arnold inquired if the staff would have the time to copy the brochure once the changes have been made. Ms. Campbell said she does not anticipate this being a problem. The Commission discussed further details about printing the brochure. Chair Arnold said the brochure was designed so that it could be printed on a color copy machine. Commissioner LeWarne inquired if he should send a sample of the brochure with the grant application that he will be submitting in the near future. Mr. Chave said another idea for possible use of grant funding is printing additional copies of the final survey report to distribute to the public. The Commission discussed that they would not need grant funding to print the brochure since no grant funding is available for this purpose now. They also discussed the possibility of Commissioner LeWarne submitting a grant application for printing the final survey report rather than the brochure. Ms. Boyle said she could provide a breakdown of what these costs might be. Chair Arnold expressed that the Commission might need funding for a public awareness event to bring people to the Commission for further information. Perhaps they should seek grant funding for this type of event. Commissioner LeWarne agreed this would be appropriate in the future, but the grant application must be submitted by the end of the month and he needs to clearly identify what the grant money would be used for and what their project would cost. The Commission concluded that Commissioner LeWarne should move forward with a grant application to help fund the cost of printing the brochure. Chair Arnold said another option for the grant funding would be to provide some type of payment to Dave Marty, who volunteered his graphic design services to the Commission. The remainder of the Commission agreed. Chair Arnold suggested that the grant application could identify $300 for copy and layout and $700 for printing. The Commission directed Commissioner LeWarne to research the costs associated with printing the brochure and then move forward with submission of a grant application based on his own judgment. Commissioner LeWarne reminded the Commission that staff needs to find out if the Commission is already a member of the trust. If not, they must join before submitting a grant application. Report on Status of Channel 21 Chair Arnold referred a rough cut of the Channel 21 video that was recently prepared for the Commission. He advised that the video would have a sound track added to it, as well as a statement at the end inviting people to attend the Commission meetings on the second Thursday of each month. A statement inviting the public to call City Hall for a copy of the brochure will also be added at the end. There are also some places where more space would be provided in the cuts between scenes. Council Member Plunkett said once this video hits the Channel 21 station, it is important that it be clear that the effort was one of the whole Commission and not just the few Commissioners who participated in its production. Commissioner Marmion suggested that the names of Commissioners be listed in the video. The remainder of the Commission agreed this Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 5 would be appropriate. The Commission also agreed that credits should be added at the end to let the viewers know that it was produced by Edmonds Community College. Chair Arnold suggested that each time the Commission's videotape is run on Channel 21, it should be followed by Nathan Proudfoot's production titled, "The History of Edmonds." Then the Commission's videotape could run one more time. The whole presentation would be about 20 minutes in length. The Commission viewed the rough cut of the Channel 21 videotape. Council Member Plunkett advised that they are ready to finalize the videotape and would appreciate any comments from the Commissioners. Ms. Boyle referred to the incentive related to the property tax valuation. She said this is a complicated incentive to describe. When she talks to property owners she explains that if they rehabilitate their building, it can be part of the special property valuation and the property owner would not have to pay the increase in taxes based on the new value of the property. Chair Arnold said the intent of the video was to communicate to the public the participation in historic preservation is voluntary. They want to make it clear that property owners who place their properties on the register receive some benefits. He questioned if this intent is clear. Commissioner LeWame suggested that the Commission must be consistent and accurate as to the name of the Edmonds Register. Whatever name they decide upon should be used on both the brochure and in the videotape so the two are consistent. Chair Arnold advised that the audio portions of the videotape cannot be changed any more. If the name Edmonds Register of Historic Places was stated in the video, it cannot be changed now. The Commission agreed that from this point forward, they need to be conscientious about using the correct name of "Edmonds Register of Historic Properties." Council Member Plunkett summarized the changes that would be made to the videotape as per the Commission's discussion. The names of the Commission members would be displayed, and music and credits would be added, as well. The Commission discussed the narrative that describes the incentives offered to property owners who include their property on the Edmonds register. They agreed that the voice that is used for this narrative should be strengthened. They agreed to replace the wording that scrolls over the screen with the City's website address. This address would be stationary rather than scroll down the screen. They agreed that the list of Commissioners should be provided at both the end and the beginning of the tape. At the end of the videotape, the video should provide information to invite people to attend the Commission Meetings and explain how they can obtain a brochure regarding historic preservation Discussion Regarding Venues for Showing The Commission agreed to table this discussion until the next meeting so that they could move on to the other Subcommittee reports. C. Historic Register Subcommittee Report Report on Status of Carnegie Library Commissioner Marmion reported that the application that was submitted to include the Carnegie Library on the Edmonds Register of Historic Properties was placed on the City Council's consent agenda of April 51. It was approved by the City Council at that time. The Carnegie Library is now on the Edmonds Register of Historic Properties. Report on Status of Baptist Church Commissioner Marmion said he does not have any new information to report regarding the Baptist Church's application. Council Member Plunkett reported that Ms. Campbell is continuing to work with the applicant from the Baptist Church. Ms. Campbell said the applicant has reviewed the plans for the Church and pointing out which parts of the building are historic. She is putting together a narrative of the history of the building. Her husband has been very ill, so she has not been able to get this done yet. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 6 Report on Status of Masonic Hall Commissioner Marmion reported no new information regarding the status of the Masonic Hall's application. Council Member Plunkett advised that representatives from the Masonic Hall have indicated that they are continuing to consider the option of submitting an application to have their building included on the register. They hope to make a decision soon. Report on Public Facilities District Project Commissioner Marmion reported that he attended the last Architectural Design Board Meeting at which the Center for the Arts Project was discussed. Part of this project involves the demolition of the old high school, which is unfortunate. However, they will also be doing a massive renovation of the art deco part of the building. He said he wanted to plant a seed in his fellow Commissioners' minds about ways they can approach the Public Facilities District to see if they could benefit by nominating for inclusion on the register those parts of the building that will be restored. Even though they are doing some exterior changes to the building, it might still be possible for them to be included on the register and recoup part of the cost of the project through incentives. Mr. Chave said the only way the Public Facilities District could actually obtain funding for this project based on historic preservation would be through the federal program. Commissioner Marmion said he thought there were provisions for tax benefits when a property owner takes over a building and rehabilitates it for a new use. Mr. Chave said there are, but the property would have to be registered on the National Register of Historic Places. Commissioner Waite said that if this property is on a historic register, it would bode well for what they are trying to do with the project, and it might help with their fundraising efforts by generating additional public attention. d. Incentives Subcommittee Report Discussion on User -Friendly Version of Historic Preservation Permitting Policies Commissioner Waite said the Incentives Subcommittee would attend the Planning Board meeting on May 12', at which the non -conforming use regulations would be discussed. Mr. Chave reported that at the end of one of their recent meetings, the Planning Board agreed to go forward with a public hearing on the proposed amendment to add "Edmonds Register of Historic Properties" to the non-conformance section of the code as recommended by the staff and the Historic Preservation Commission. Commissioner Waite inquired if the Planning Board has held any lengthy discussions regarding City Attorney Snyder's memorandum related non -conforming uses. Mr. Chave said they have not. He noted that addressing the entire non- conforming use section of the Code would involve a lengthy process. Commissioner Waite pointed out that the Commission has been waiting for the Board to review non -conforming uses for the past year. Commissioner Waite and Commissioner Marmion indicated that they would attend the Planning Board meeting of May 12" to represent the Commission's request to amend the code. Mr. Chave reported that Ms. Graff is in the process of taking the International Building Code to the City Council Committee for consideration next week. Chair Arnold inquired if further Commission discussion on this item could be postponed until the next meeting. Mr. Chave explained that the City Council Committee serves as a sounding board to the City Council. They plan to discuss the process and other issues regarding the international building code, but before it can be adopted into City code, a review by the full City Council and a public hearing will be required. Council Member Plunkett advised that Ms. Graff is doing what the Incentives Subcommittee asked her to do, which is to reference the State Building Code in the City's code. Mr. Chave clarified that the proposal by staff would adopt the new Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 7 International Building Code, and adopt by reference the State's Historic Building Code. This would be located in Chapter 19 of the Edmonds Community Development Code. Chair Arnold recalled that at the last meeting the Commission approved a motion that allowed Commissioner Waite to draft a letter indicating to the Building Official that the Commission supports the inclusion of the Washington State Historic Code into the City's series of proposed building code amendments. The proposal prepared by the staff is the fulfillment of that motion. Commissioner Waite agreed, but said the content of the proposal could possibly be subject to interpretation. Chair Arnold suggested that the Incentives Subcommittee review the proposal that was presented by staff to make sure it meets the Commission's intent. If changes are necessary, the Commission could discuss this issue at their next meeting. Council Member Plunkett said he would be present at the City Council Committee meeting discussion regarding this issue. Report on Status of Restoration Codes for Registered Buildings The Commission agreed to discuss this issue further at the next meeting. Report on Status of Use Codes for Registered Buildings Chair Arnold explained that this issue is related to allowing exemptions to some City codes if a building is used in an historic way. Council Member Plunkett recalled that they talked about two exempted uses. One was parking, which is being taken care of already. Mr. Chave added that a hearing related to the parking amendments is scheduled before the City Council on April 201. Commissioner Waite said that other than parking exemptions, there could be exemptions to the setback requirements, as well. Chair Arnold suggested that they spend more time at the next meeting discussing this issue. 8. NEW BUSINESS Discussion on How to Use "Spokane" Knowledge Discussion on this issue was postponed to the next meeting. 9. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS Collection of Time Sheets Chair Arnold encouraged the Commissioners to keep careful track of the time they spend on projects related to the historic inventory and fill out the time sheets for staff. Mr. Chave advised that any work that is associated with the survey project should be reported. He noted that the first 45 minutes of this meeting could be reported, since it was used to discuss the survey project. Mr. Chave reported that the public hearing before the City Council regarding the parking regulation amendments is on April 201. This could become a powerful incentive for listing historic buildings. He pointed out that included in the parking amendments is an exception that is unique to historic buildings, and it is the only exception found in the parking ordinance. If approved, this would allow a potential exception to the parking requirements for future additions to historic buildings. 10. REVIEW OF NEXT MEETING'S PROPOSED AGENDA Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 8 Chair Arnold advised that the agenda for the next meeting would be essentially the same. They would add a report on the Planning Board's review of the non -conforming use ordinance. A report on the status of the videotape tagline would be provided as part of the Communications Subcommittee Report. The Status Report for the Carnegie Library would be deleted since this review is now complete. The Commission agreed that another viewing of the Channel 21 videotape should be scheduled on the next agenda. Commissioner LeWarne said he would also present a proposal to adopt a new motto for the Commission. 11. HISTORIC PRESERVATION CHAIR COMMENTS Chair Arnold provided no additional comments during this portion of the meeting. 12. HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEMBER COMMENTS Commissioner Marmion reminded the Commission that one of their responsibilities is to keep an eye out for things in the area of land use that might relate to historic resources in the City. Anything that encourages redevelopment in the City will, by its nature, discourage preservation. While the City is trying to be viable, the Commission needs to identify those land use decisions that go against the Commission's charter. Commissioner Marmion said there is a level of push in the City to go to higher height limits and encourage more viable three-story buildings. Instead of having buildings that are marginally three stories now, it would make a lot of the property in the City more developable. This would have far more impact on historic structures than the parking incentives or other incentives could off set. He said it is important that the Commission is aware that the potential of increasing the height limit has been proposed by both City Council Member Marin and City Council Member Moore. Mr. Chave suggested that rather than paying attention to specific comments, the Commission should pay close attention to the City Council's work with the design guidelines and the Planning Board's work with the Downtown/Waterfront Plan, since that is when these issues would ultimately be raised and resolved. Commissioner Marmion advised that the City is considering the creation of an overlay district for the downtown area. The intent is to improve the corridor that leads to the performing arts center, which is Fourth Avenue. The Commission has highlighted this area as one of the few areas where there are some contiguous blocks of older buildings. Commissioner Waite suggested that perhaps the staff could provide a brief update to the Commission about what issues the Planning Board is discussing. Mr. Chave said the Planning Board has scheduled some public meetings in May at which their proposals will be presented to the public. 13. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to address, the Commission adjourned at 5:25 p.m. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes April 8, 2004 Page 9