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work sessions. Councilman Tuson said that this way they could discuss certain
issues at -length and avoid going into a formal council meeting "cold". The
Mayor said he has been pleased with the fact that the meetings are shorter since
we have them weekly, but maybe one -work meeting a month would be a good -idea.
A motion was made by Councilman•Nordquist and seconded by Councilman Anderson
to instruct the city attorney to draw an ordinance to establish the first,
third and fourth Tuesdays of the month as formal meeting dates and the second
and fifth Tuesdays as workshop meetings. There was some discussion and -Acting
CAO Marlo Foster said he was speaking in Mr. Whaley's behalf in saying that the
council should be careful that they do not repeat in formal sessions the verbage
that has taken place at work meetings. The motion was then voted upon and carried.
Mr. Ken Welling said that it would be a good idea to notify the public as to
What will be discussed at the work sessions.
DISCUSSION OF SOLID -WASTE PLAN
Mayor Harrison introduced -this item and ascertained that the council members
had all received copies of the proposal from the County Commissioners together
with a summary for financing solid waste disposal. ,_This pointed out the
advantages and disadvantages of various -systems. Mayor.Harrison stated that the
fact that King County has a User Fee System will force Snohomish County to
adopt the same system to prevent Snohomish County from•processing King County's
garbage. City Engineer Larson said the council should consider a mandatory
reguir.ement for garbage collection. There was some discussion regarding voluntary
garbage disposal and how people can be forced to keep their property free from
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garbage. Attorney Wallace said that they could be forced only if it becomes a
health hazard. Councilwoman Shippen pointed out that in order to getWashington
Futures Funds, the County as a whole.must come up with a feasible financial
approach. At this point we would simply be stating a preference for a particular
method. Councilman Gellert suggested that it would be a good idea to have
someone from the Commissioner's Office come and talk to the council in order
to give them some further guidance with regard to this matter.
Mayor Harrison mentioned that the County wanted answer by the 30th of August,
and thought that the city should look with favor on the user fee. Councilman
Gellert thought that the city staff should make a report on the status of the
garbage station, etc. at the next meeting. He therefore made a motion to place
this item on the agenda for August 28th. City Engineer Larson said he would
prepare this. Councilwoman-Shippen seconded the motion, and after some further
discussion, the motion was voted upon and carried.
There was no further business to come before council, and the meeting was-.
adjourned at 10t00 P.M.
Eleanor Quefley, Dep
City.Clerk Harve H. Harrison, Mayor
August 28, 1973
ROLL CALL
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order by Mayor.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes'of the council meeting of August 21 had been posted, mailed and
distributed. With no omissions nor corrections, they were approved as written.
HEARING: PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL -CHASE LAKE SEWERS
This was the evening set for hearing on the preliminary assessment roll for
proposed LID #192, Chase Lake sewers. City Engineer Leif Larson gave an ex-
planation of the background and the purpose for the sewering; displayed a map
showing the LID boundaries; gave.a cost comparison and showed a -chart of cost
trends from the 1960's to the present. Engineer Larson then explained the
zone and termini method of assessment for the benefit of the property owners.
He advised that increased costs of labor, material, and the improved restora—
tion requirements all combined to raise the costs of the LID to the $25.13 per
z.f.f. quoted as the preliminary estimate. Engineer Larson then introduced
Mr. Charles Mangum, representing the Snohomish County Health District,.who
spoke about the health problem in the Chase Lake area and7the search for a
solution. He admitted that the property owners were certainly disturbed by
the cost, but stated that delaying the project would not solve the problem
nor lower the costs.
Eleven letters of protest had been received, with the main concern being -the
high cost of the project. A list of the protests, along with the -original
letters, is filed in the City Clerk's office. .
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Mayor Harrison noted that the requirements of OSHA and WISHA have increased
labor costs considerably. City Engineer Leif Larson then read the official
letter received frof Claris Lyatt, M.D., Health Officer of the Snohomish
Health District, wherein was stated verification of the existence of the
health hazard in the Chase Lake area and requesting that the City of Edmonds
install sanitary sewers as rapidly as possible to alleviate the problem.
The heating was then opened. Mrs. Steele, 8129-220th S.W., asked if the
estimate was based on a no easement approach. Engineer Larson answered that
easement costs were included in the cost estimate via contingencies. Bob
Chandler, 8405-220th, inquired about properties on 220th not included in the
LID, and he was advised that those properties omitted already abut an existing
sewer and they would be required to pay a connection charge and hook onto the
line. Mr. Day, 21608-81st W., had a question on the cost of the Lynnwood
sewers as opposed to the cost of the Edmonds sewers. Engineer Larson assured
him that all sewering, regardless of which city installs it, costs the same;
the method of financing may be different. There followed some discussion on
proposed secondary treatment facilities and the possibility of federal parti-
cipation.,Bill Wood, 8430-218th, also inquired about the excluded properties
on 220th. Mayor Harrison then suggested that those funds from the hookups on
220th could be placed into the LID fund instead of going into the sewer fund,
and he recommended council take this action. Engineer Larson noted that these
late comer charges would involve approximately 2700 feet out of the 20,000 feet
total in the zone front feet of the LID. In answer to the question of time to
hook up, City Attorney John Wallace advised that it was 60 days from the date
the sewer is available, so the properties on 220th could be required to connect
immediately.
Al Robbins, 8024-213th S.W., noted that Lynnwood acid Mountlake Terrace sowers
are financed with revenue bonds and asked why Edmonds cannot do the same. A
woman in the audience said she wondered why Edmonds hadn't brought charts and
other information to the meetings attended by the Chase Lake residents prior to
annexation, when sewers were being discussed.
Ed Robinson, 9815-88th W., stated that he was not a property owner in the LID
area, but he was strongly in favor of proceeding immediately with sewering
because of the health problem. He noted that he had children who were bussed
to the Chase Lake school, and he felt it was a much bigger problem than one of
dollars and cents; that the health of the children and the welfare of the en-
tire community was involved. He also suggested council go on record as ad-
monishing the School District for keeping the school open under these con-
ditions while closing other schools, and he congratulated the city for going
ahead with sewering of the area.
Mayor Harrison asked council for comments on transferring the hookup charges
on 220th into the LID fund instead of the sewer fund. A motion was therefore
made by Councilman Nelson, seconded by Councilman Gellert to place any late-
comer agreement monies from the properties involved into the LID rather than
into the sewer fund, for the benefit of the proposed Chase Lake sewer 1ID.
The motion carried..
There was a question on the actual construction start, and Engineer Larson
said it could be by the end -of September or the first part of October. He
felt bids could be opened on September 20 and approved on the 25th, with the
construction,to begin around the first of October. Pat Dauer, 21324-80th, asked
if the property owners on the streets that will be entirely paved following
sewering will -be charged more than those on streets that will remain gravel
roads. He was advised that reconstruction is replacing the street in the
same manner that it was prior to construction, and the entire costs are spread
over the complete LID area by being totalled and the same zone front foot costs.
charged to all. -
Nancy Albert asked if the audience could indicate by a show of hands how many
were quoted a $12 per z.f.f. figure when the petition was circulated. There
were many hands raised. Councilman Nordquist asked about this quote from the
Health District and found that the city had given an average figure on costs
of former LID's to the Health District, who in turn took this to the people.
Councilman Nordquist therefore stated that council should hold itself respon-
sible for this. Mr. Mangum stated that it was impossible to answer questions
about the cost with accuracy, based upon former LID's One gentleman in the
audience mentioned a letter from the Snohomish Health District sent to the
Chase Lake residents. There was discussion, and Councilman Nelson stated that
it was a question of either forgetting the whole idea or going ahead and later
thriving at a judgement of how to pay for the sewers; ULID, or 20 or 30 year -
LID, etc. Engineer Larson had comparisons on 10 year versus 20 year financing.
It would amount to $367 per year for 10 years on an average assessment, or
$230 per year for 20 years; financing over a longer period costs more. Gordon
Pedersens, 21621-81st W., stated that the financing was not the chief concern.
He felt that the property owners were concerned with the charges that had been
quoted when they signed the petitions, and the charges that were now on their
preliminary estimates.
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Mayor Harrison noted that if the entire city council does not unanimously°
vote to pass the ordinance creating the LID via the health problem, the
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other informat' n to the medtings atten4ed by the Chase Lake residents prior to
annexation, wJhen sewers were being dis,5ziussed.
Ed Robinso ,•9815-88t/ictfor
tated at•he was n a property Qner in-the�ID
area, bu he was strofavo of proceedi g immediatel with sewerig
becaus of the hea h, a noted tha he had child en who were/bussed
to th Chase Lake scha felt it wa a much bigg problem than one of
dol rs and cen ; thealth of the hildren and a welfare othe en-
ti a community as inHe also su gested counc' go on reco}r�d as ad-
m nishing th School for keep g the school open under hese con-
ditions whi a closingschools, nd he congra lated the c' y for goingahead with sewering oea.
Mayor 'arriso1 ask d council for omments on4tainsfetring the hookup c�'arges
on 2�h into th Dfund inst ad of the se fund. A /notion was therefore
made by Counci an Nelson, se nded by Coun ilman Geller to place /any late -
made agreeme t monies from a propertie involved'in o the LID rather than
i/nto the se er fund, for t e benefit of a proposed hase Lakeewer LID. /
The motio carried.
There as a question- the actual nstruction art, and Engineer Larso
said t could be by a end of Sep ember or the first part/of October. e
fe bids could be pened on Sep tuber 20 and approved on/the 25th, w' h the
c struction to b in around th first of October. Pat/Dauer, 213247 Oth, asked
f the property wners on the treets th will be entirely paved f llowing
sewering will a charged mor than those streets that will rem n gravel
roads. He w advised tha reconstruc on is replacing the stye t in the
same manner that it was p for to co uction, an the entire sts are spr/e�d
over the. mplete LID a a by beingY'�otalled and he same zon front foot osts
charged o all.
Nancy Albert asked 'f the audie►e could indicate by a sh w of hands hdw many
wer quoted a $12 er z.f.f. figure when tlpe petition w t circulated / There
we a many hands aised. Councilman Nordquist asked ab ut this quotL7from the
Health Distric and found that the city had given an verage figu on costs
of former LID s to the He th District who in turn took this'to the people.-
ouncilman ordquist thereore stated that counci should hold //itself respon-
sible for his. Mr. Ma•gum stated that it was i ossible to 4wer questions
abou/entioned
cost with a uracy, based upon former LID's. One `4entleman in the
audia letter from/the Snohomis Health Dist
/r/ict sent to the
Chasresiden There was discussion, and Councilman Nelson stated that
it uestion of either forgetting the hole idea or.�going ahead and later
ar iving at a j gement of how to pay for the sewers; ULID, or 20 or 30 year
D, etc. Engineer Larson had comparis son 10 year�ersus 20 year financing.
t would amok t to-$367 per year for 1 years on an a erage assessment, or
$230 per year for 20 years; financin over a longer period costs more. Gordon
Pedersens�21621-81st V.stated th the financing -was not the chief concern.
He felt hat the property owners w/ere concerned with the charges that had been
quoted hen they signed the peti ons, and the charges that were now on their
preli;/inary estimates.
r Harrison,/noted that if/the entire c
to pass the ordinance creating the t
council does not unanimously
via the health problem, the
property owners can :then make.a bU'A protest within30 days of passage o
ordinance. These protests,must•beiuz.writing.
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Councilman Nelson said he would like the people to be given additional in-
formation on the LID before proceedings, and he felt council should postpone
this hearing until that information can be compiled and distributed.
Councilman Nordquist stated that Reid, Middleton & Associates, Inc. should be
invited to send a representative to the postponed hearing to perhaps re-evaluate
and bring in figures to the hearing and be available for questions from the
assessed property owners. City Engineer Larson noted that the sooner this
project begins, the better for taking advantage of a possible slack period
for sewer contractors; that there were various factors to influence the
bidding and timing was important both from a health and cost standpoint.
It was moved by Councilman Nelson; seconded by Councilman Nordquist to con-
tinue the hearing on the proposed LID for Chase Lake sewering to September 18
so the City Engineer can dispence costs to each propetty owner to give an
idea of the cost of the LID for 20 and 30 year bonds, and also a monthly or
yearly figure on ULID costs.
Councilman Gellert noted that this maybe premature; the people in the
audience may not wish to delay the project. Mike Goldberg, 21704-82nd W.,
commented that the council must have held hearings before, but that the
manner in which hearings are held gets nothing accomplished'because nothing
is known regarding laterals, assessments. etc. and this information should
be available before the hearing. Councilman Gellert asked if there was any
reason why the city can't -call for bids prior.to passage of the ordinance so
the property owners could have the more accurate figures. The Attorney ad-
vised that in order to call for bids you must have a project, and the project
is not created without an ordinance. Councilman Tuson suggested that perhaps
passage of the ordinance would be in order so that bids could be called for
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to let the people know the costs, then the bids could be thrown out if too
high. This would prevent delay.. Councilman'Gellert agreed that it would'be
best to get on with this decision tonight. He felt the Engineer and Finance
Officer should determine the best way to finance the project. Councilman
Gellert then asked for an expression from the audience as to whether to pro-
ceed or delay the project. A show of hands was definitely in favor of delay.
Hearing was then closed.
Upon call for the question, the motion to continue the hearing to September
18 carried.
The Mayor at this point called for a short recess..
APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT - WILLOWBROOK DIVISION #2
City Planner Joe Wallis reported to council that this plat had come before
them in its preliminary form in July 1972. He distributed a copy of a letter
he had written to Mr. Wagner, regarding setbacks, right-of-way access, and
extension of lots. With these agreements, Planner Wallis recommended ap-
proval of the plat.
A motion was made by gouncilman Gellert, seconded by Councilman Tuson that
council approve the final plat of Willowbrook Division #2, subject to
engineering and planning requirements. Motion carried.
RESOLUTION ADOPTING PRIOR'GUIDELINES FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
As directed -at the August 14 council meeting, the Attorney submitted a pro- •
posed resolution for adoption of the Prior guidelines for Capital Improve-
ments. It was moved by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilwoman
Shippen that proposed Resolution 284 be passed, and the motion carried.
SETTING DATES FOR HEARINGS ON PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTIONS
Planning Commission Resolutions #416, #417, #418, and #420 were presented
for setting of hearing dates before the council. A motion was made by
Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Gellert that Planning Commission
Resolutions 416,417,418, and 420 be set for hearing on September 4, and the
motion carried.
Planning Commission.Resolution #419 was presented, recommending denial of
an amendment to adjust the alignment on 192nd'between 88th'and 92nd W. City
Planner Wallis explained for council clarification that this involved a
subdivision on the north side of 192nd and it appeared there was a jog in
the right-of-way, so the question was whether to adjust the alignment. How-
ever, further study showed the houses on the south would be as close.as ten
feet to the road if the 10 ft. R/W were taken entirely from that side, in-
stead of 5 ft. from each side of 192nd. Therefore, it was moved by Council-
man Gellert, seconded by Councilman Nordquist to uphold the denial of the
Planning Commission under -their Resolution 4419, and the motion carried.
ORDINANCE SETTING FORTH REGULAR MEETING TIME AND DATES OF COUNCIL
A proposed ordinance setting formal and work sessions for the Edmonds City
Council was prepared in accordance with council direction, and a motion was
made by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Gellert that proposed •
Ordinance #1676 be passed, and the motion carried.
REPORT ON STATUS OF GARBAGE CONTRACT AGREEMENT AND SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL
City Engineer Leif Larson reported on the Garbage Agreement signed.on
August'l, 1972, wherein the disposal company, agreed to proceed with final-
izing plans for the transfer station to be located in Mountlake Terrace.
If, one year from the date of the agreement, the disposal company failed to
commence operation of the transfer station, with the approval of Mountlake
Terrace, the Agreement shall then terminate automatically and shall have no
force and effect. Although Mountlake Terrace.has approved the site develop-
ment plan and granted.a grading permit, a building permit for this transfer
station has not been issued and the station has not been in operation.
Further delays were caused by Mountlake Terrace indicating unanticipated
drainage problems with the site.
In regard to the solid waste financing, the three methods were (1) Head Tax,
(2) combined Head Tax/User Fee, and (3) User Fee method. The Solid Waste
Coordinator requested that the city indicate its initial preference and
any alternate financing comments. Engineer Larson stated that he felt there
should be additional investigation made on the combined Head/Use tax method;
that the city would prefer more information and additional study on the
second two methods; that there was not at this time sufficient data to make
a definite recommendation. However, he recommended against the sole Head Tax
method.
There was.some discussion, and Councilman Gellert moved to recommend the User
Fee�:method for solid waste financing. This motion died for lack of a second.
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Councilwoman Shippen suggested that the Engineer write a letter from the
council indicating interest in further pursuing methods (2) and (3), and
have this ready to present at the meeting on�Thursday evening. No further
council action was necessary at this time.
STREET USE PERMIT REQUEST - (OLD MILLTOWN)
A Street Use Permit request from J. Ward Phillips Company for marquees and/or
canopies over the sidewalk in the new development called "Milltown" on 5th Ave.
South between Dayton and Maple Streets was submitted.
City Engineer Leif Larson noted that the Building Department would require
structural details.of the marquees, subject to the review and approval of
the Building Official. He then recommended approval of the Street Use Permit.
subject to the structural evaluation.
A motion was made by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Gellert
to approve the Street Use Permit as noted, subject to the structural evalua-
tion. Motion carried.
REPORT FROM COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES ON VARIOUS COMMITTEES
Councilman Gellert reported that Councilman Nelson, who had.to leave after
the Chase Lake hearing, had asked him to advise council that the SW Snohomish
County Transit Board now has a surplus of $2216 in transit funds. However,
he noted that both Edmonds and Mountlake Terrace have a deficit; route 406
has the surplus.
Councilman Gellert then reported that next Thursday was the hearing on budget
for SNOCOM, and if there were any suggestions from council he would like to
have them before that time.
REAPPOINTMENT OF RICHARD DICKSON TO PLANNING COMMISSION
Mayor Harrison read a letter from Richard Dickson regarding his expiring
position on the Edmonds Planning Commission and reaffirming his availability
for continued service. The Mayor noted.that he had a policy of not reap-
pointing, but felt in this case Mr. Dickson had performed to a degree worthy
of waiving this policy. Mayor Harrison therefore made the reappointment of
Richard Dickson for a 6 year term on the Planning Commission. Councilman
Nordquist moved, seconded by Councilman Tuson to confirm the Mayors reap
pointment of Richard Dickson, and the motion carried.
There was no further business to come before the council, and the meeting was
adjourned at 10:55 P.M.
Irene Varney Mo an, City Clerk
September 4, 1973
ROLL 'CALL
Harve H. HakkA*son, Mayor
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order by Mayor
Harve Harrison at 7:30 P.M. with all council members present except Nordquist.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the council meeting of August 28 had been posted, mailed and
distributed. With no omissions nor corrections, they were approved as written.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION
Councilman Anderson asked what had transpired with regard to the disposal of
certain city parcels of land which had been mentioned at the June 5th meeting.
Mayor Harrison said that the appraisal has not been received.
Councilman Anderson said that subsequent to the motion which was made at the
meeting on the 20th of August, Rod Garretson did meet with property owners
abutting Yost Park. Twenty-five residents came to the -meeting and shared their
complaints and constructive criticisms. He said it was a very constructive
meeting, and thinks we should have more of this sort of thing. All matters
have been taken under advisement, and Mr. Whaley will report and give recommend-
ations on these matters at a later date.
Councilwoman Shippen mentioned touring Brookacres. She asked if 10:30 A.M.,
Saturday, September 8th would be agreeable with everyone. Council members
present and the Mayor said this was fine and that they would meet at the site.
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