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become greater when several businesses occupy a structure where one business
was located previously. Attorney Wallace answered that if the building is not
in fact enlarged upon, but merely remodeled, the grandfatherclause holds, and
no further requirements are placed upon the building in regard to parking.
Councilman Anderson then remarked that he would hope the council agenda was
flexible enough to revamp, in order to move items up in cases of people waiting
in the audience for a particular item. The Mayor assured him that this can
be done at any time by -motion.
Councilwoman Shippen questioned the City Engineer on the landscaping of the
central area of 104 by the State Highway Department, and this led to discussion
on plantings and maintenance.
Fire Chief Jack Cooper invited members of the council to an Open House being
held in the Fire Department on Saturday, October 13 from 2 to 5 in honor of
Chaplain David Strand, who is moving to Denver-. Chief Cooper and Chief Foster
both remarked that Chaplain Strand had been a great asset to the City of Edmonds
and would be difficult to replace.
CAO Whaley noted that the Preliminary Budget for 1974 would be presented to
council on November 6.
Councilman Nelson requested up-to-date copies�be furnished council members of
the various members of Boards and Commissions, as well as Council Committees, etc.
Mayor Harrison brought to council attention a letter he had sent to each member •
requesting a change in the title of Chief Administrative Officer,to City
Administrative Officer. He stated that this title is misleading, since the Mayor
is the Chief Administrative Officer of the city, and a change would eliminate ..
confusion with the public. Therefore, a motion was made by Councilman Winters,
seconded by Councilman Tuson to instruct the Attorney to prepare amendments to the
appropriate ordinances to affect this change. Motion carried.
There was no further business to come before council, and the meeting was
adjourned at 10:25 P.M.
Irene Varney Mor n, City Clerk Harve H. Harr son, Mayor
October 16, 1973
ROLL CALL
The regular meeting .of the Edmonds City Council was called to order by Mayor
Harve Harrison with all council members present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the regular meeting of October 9 had been posted, mailed and
distributed, and with no omissions nor corrections, they were approved as
written.
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Mayor Harrison stated that he had a proposal from CTC Education Systems, Inc.
of Lynnwood which provides for some of their students to work part-time with
the City. CTC has applied for a grant to the U.S. Commissioner of Education
pursuant to the Economic Opportunity'Act of 1964 to provide some of their
students part-time work with public and private non-profit organizations.
The city would like to use several of these students and the Mayor asked for
authorization to sign this agreement. He stated that the city would be respon-
sible for 20% of the salaries and that the agreement would terminate on the
30th of June 1974. Following some discussion a motion was made by Councilman
Gellert and seconded by Councilman Anderson to authorize the Mayor to enter
into an agreement with CTC Education Systems, Inc. Motion carried.
Councilman Tuson asked Rod Garretson about the leak in the roof at the pool.
Mr. Garretson explained that it is now being repaired by the contractor.
Mayor Harrison read a list of council committees and city representatives
appointed to attend these meetings. They were as follows: Snohomish County
Humas Resources Steering Committee, Mayor Harrison; King -Snohomish County
Manpower Consortium (KSMC), Mayor Harrison and Ron Whaley; Snohomish County
Police Services Steering Committee, Mayor Harrison, Mr. Whaley and Chief Foster;
Snohomish County Metro, Mayor Harrison and Bill Nims; SW Snoh. Co. Transit Board,
John Nordquist; Snoh. Co..Solide Waste Steering Committee, Natalie Shippen;
Snoh. Co. Health District, John Nordquist and Natalie Shippen; SnoCom, Max
Gellert; LEFF Disability Board, John Nordquist and Jack Winters; Planning
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Commission Liaison, Jack Winters; Park Board Liaison, Natalie Shippen; Volunteer
Firemen's.Relief and Pension Board, Mayor Harrison; Firemen's Pension Board,
Mayor Harrison. Another was the Snoh. Comp. Manpower Planning Sub -executive
Committee. He asked if anyone would like to sit on this committee, but there
was no response. Mayor Harrison said that another would be added to the list
as the administration feels that we should again join the Puget Sound Govern
mental Conference.
HEARING: ON FOUNTAIN AT FIFTH AND MAIN
Two persons from the audience stepped forward and presented petitions in favor
of the fountain to the Deputy City Clerk, who then passed them to the Mayor.
The Mayor then opened the hearing. Margie Welling, 18711 Sound View Place also
presented a petition in favor of the fountain. Bill Crump said that he is '
concerned with the parking and with the development of the city, since he has
recently established a new business in town. He said that as of 6:30 this
evening he had 71 signatures of people who are opposed to the fountain and the
planter boxes. He said that they thought the fountain should be re -located.
Peggy Harris read a petition in favor of the fountain and the names of persons
who had signed it. Mrs. Skonnard said that she has heard that this may be
the first step towards a downtown mall concept. Mayor Harrison stated"that
there are no plans being made along this line. She stated that she is opposed
to the fountain, but also pointed out that this sculpture is a work of art and
should be placed at a location where it can be viewed at close hand. Hal
Jackson from Party Harbor presented a petition in favor of the fountain containing
about 37 names of local shoppers. Jim Borne, associated with the Fog Cutter
West, indicated that he was opposed to the.fountain. A woman in the audience
commented that she thought the planters would be a hazard. City Planner, Joe
Wallis explained the plan and how it would work. He said all safety factors
had been considered and have been provided for. Chet Bennett c!�tmented that
one of the arguments that'keeps coming up continually is that the -fountain is
a traffic hazard. He stated further that from an engineering,�and safety stand-
point, we have had comments'from the City Engineer, Fire Chief and the Police
Chief indicating that this is no problem, Following more comments from the
audience, 'J. Ward Phillips and Al Kincaid projected slides on the screen showing
several views of downtown Edmonds and of Los Gatos, California. The pictures
of Los Gatos indicated the method used. there for incorporating landscaping and
planter boxes in their downtown area. One lady in the audience asked if it is
planned to bring in mature trees, perhaps ten years old. Mr. Phillips said
that this was the plan. Mr. Phillips pointed out that these corner parks would
be in areas where it would be illegal to park at any time.
Jim Martin asked why the fountain had to be in the middle of that intersection
and not at some other location. City Planner, Joe Wallis said that 5th Avenue
is one major access into the city and Main Street is another, and that he
thought a fountain was a very appropriate way to make the transition from one
predominant access to another. Millie Engels stated that her family had been
very active in the business community in the 1930's and they had the same kind
of problems then. She?said for some reason the business community cannot
cooperate and really get together behind something that is really going to be of
benefit to the town. Mrs. Engels said further that now, forty years later,
we are still the same way. She said she hopes she lives long enough to see
the fountain there and be proud to see that Edmonds is progressing. Pat Welling
also spoke in favor of the fountain, and thought the project should go ahead
as many man hours have already been expended since the council sanctioned this.
No one else wished to speak so the Mayor declared the hearing closed.
Councilman Anderson stated that he and Councilman Nordquist had conducted their
own survey. They contacted 50 business men and that survey revealed that the
majority were in favor of the fountain. Some discussion followed concerning
directing traffic around the fountain. There was discussion on the funding also.
Mr. Kincaid said that because of the delays, it now appears that the fountain
would not be installed until 1974. He said that"the merchants had indicated
to him that they would not wish to have the street torn up during the holiday
shopping season. A motion was then made by Councilman Anderson and seconded by
Councilwoman Shippen to reaffirm the previous action of the council favoring
the proposal for the fountain and the corner park concepts at 5th and Main.
Motion carried.
REPORT ON BIDS FOR FRONT END LOADER - OPENED OCTOBER 11
Herb Gilbo, Director of Public Works, reported on this item. The bids had'been
opened by the City Clerk on the 11th of October. The bids received were as follows:
Craig -Taylor Equipment Company, Renton
(John Deere Loader)
Cal -Ore Machinery Company, Seattle
(Michigan Loader)
N. C. Machinery Company, Tukwilla
(Caterpillar Loader)
Star Machinery, Seattle
(Trojan Loader)
$25,959.50
25,798.50 (Alt. Bid)
319703.55
28,397.04
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Following discussion, a motion was made by Councilman Nordquist and seconded
by Councilman Gellert to accept the low bid, which is the alternate bid, of
Craig -Taylor Equipment Company of Renton for the John Deere Loader in the
amount of $25,798.50, including sales tax and without a tradein. Motion carried.
HEARING: PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION #421
This matter is an appeal from recommendation to deny amendment to remove or
reduce the extension of 77th Avenue West to 206th Street SW from the Official
Street Map,. File ST-5-73.
City Planner, Joe Wallis, reported that the applicant originally was Mr. Ness,
and that this was for a subdivision and in conjunction with that there was a
question of the street. The subdivision came before the Planning Commission
in August and then there was a request to have a hearing on the Comprehensive
Street Plan and that was heard on September 12th. At this point, Mr. Wallis
projected slides on the screen showing the zoning and.various views of the
surrounding area. The Comprehensive Street Plan shows 77th as a 60' right-of-
way, and the request is to either remove the street from the Comprehensive Plan
or reduce the width to 501. Mr. Wallis felt there was no strong recommendation
for or against, however there is merit to having the street open for emergency
vehicles and for equalizing traffic movement. Following some more comments,
Mayor Harrison opened the hearing.
Chet Bennett stated that he was present to represent Mr. Ness. He said that
Mr. Ness is willing to do anything - put the street through, a pathway, etc.
There followed considerable discussion. Jerry Lovell with Reid, Middleton
said that they had about maximum lot yield right now. Alan Vadset of 20415 -
77th Avenue West mentioned several aspects in favor of opening the street,
including better access for emergency vehicles, better police protection,
better drainage, etc. There was also discussion regarding the alignment with
regard to the present street and the proposed extension. Mr. DiGeorgi, who
resides in the area, said that he was concerned that if there were an accident,
it would end up in his yard., Following further discussion, Mayor Harrison
declared the hearing closed.
A motion was made by Councilman Gellert and seconded by Councilman Nelson to
uphold the Planning Commission's recommendation to deny an amendment to the
Official Street Map to remove or reduce the extension of 77th Avenue West.
A roll call vote resulted in four against and Councilmen Gellert, Nelson and
Winters voting for. The motion, therefore, failed to carry. A motion was
then made by Councilman Tuson and seconded by Councilman Nordquist to amend
the Official Street Map reducing the width from sixty feet to fifty feet on
a portion of 77th Avenue West; and to instruct the attorney to draw the proper
ordinance. A roll call vote resulted in five votes for and Councilmen Gellert
and Nelson voting against. The motion then carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Nordquist
to adjourn the meeting because of the late
items on the agenda for next week, October
The meeting then adjourned at 11:10 PM.
Eleanor Queal y, Depu City Clerk
October 23, 1973
ROLL CALL
and seconded by Councilman Nelson
hour, and to place the remaining
23rd. Motion carried.
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Harve H. Harriisoh Mayor
Regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 P.M.
by Mayor Harve Harrison. All council members were present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the regular meeting of October 16 had been posted, mailed and
distributed. It was noted by Councilwoman Shippen that under the listing
of council committees, City Engineer Leif Larson should have been included
on the Solid:: Waste Steering Committee. It was also noted that on page 2,
under the hearing on the fountain at Fifth and Main, that W. Ward Phillips
should be corrected to read J. Ward Phillips. The minutes then were approved
as corrected.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION
Councilman Anderson inquired, and stated that he was curious about the
amounts on the claims warrant register under #19178 and #19179, where there
was $1,660 paid for medical insurance and $1,795.50 for dental service; and
did the city pay more for dental than for medical. CAO Ron Whaley answered
no, but that the rates were for four different plans within employee groups,
and that all participate in the dental plan for $11.80 per month, whereas
all the group's medical plans vary. This would explain this particular diff-
erence on the warrant register as noted.
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