19731120 City Council Minutes•
November 20, 1973
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ROT.T. C AT.T.
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 P.M.
by Mayor Harve Harrison; with all six council members present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the work meeting of November 13 had been posted, mailed and distri--
btuted, and with no omissions nor corrections, they were approved as written.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION
Councilwoman Shippen noted that under agenda item #11 this evening, she noticed
two more.street use applications, and since these seemed to be appearing before
council with increasing frequency lately, she wondered if they shouldn't be re-
viewed by the new Design Committee,.and suggested that these should be taken
care of with advice from that body.
Councilman Gellert mentioned that he personally felt that the agendas for the
'otk. meetings were too full, and not enough time was left for council discussion;
he thought the work sessions had seemed more like regular meetings; and asked
if the work agendas could be kept down in order to allow council discussion time.
Councilwoman Shippen suggested that only council be allowed to put items on these
work agendas. Councilman Gellert answered that it should be accomplished in some
manner, and any presentations should be limited timewise. Councilman Nordquist
agreed that agendas should be kept down, and this was noted by all concerned.
• Mayor Harrison reported to council that he was sorry he did not have the budget
message to present tonight. He stated that it would not be an agenda item, but
that he would attach it to the budget when it was ready.
LAKE BALLINGER CITIZENS' CONSERVATION PRESENTATION
Mr. Bob Boye, 24325 - 76th W., was spokesman for this group of citizens from
the Lake Ballinger area, who were,in attendance at this meeting. Mr. Boye
explained that they would give a four-part presentation to the council and then
make two specific requests. He noted that they were here tonight to express
opposition to the plans for 236th which Mountlake Terrace hoped to have built
next year at the north end of Lake Ballinger, and also to bring to council
attention the pollution and causes in the Lake. Mr. Boye went on.to state that
the residents in the area were concerned about the plans for the road, and also
concerned about the environmental impact study that had been made by a firm
for Mountlake Terrace. He felt that the Ballinger residents on the west side
of the Lake did not have opportunity to make themselves heard by the city of
Mountlake Terrace. Mr. Boye then turned the,presentation over to Ron Howard,
23823 - 74th W., who projected a map of the Ballinger and surrounding area on
the screen. Mr. Howard spoke of the impact of 236th on the Ballinger and entire
community; stating that the road would come to within 205 ft. of the lake. He
noted that it was only one and a half miles from 205th to 220th, where the full
interchange should be. He also brought to council attention the fact that in
the impact statement that was made for Mountlake Terrace, there was mention
made of school busses, and in fact there were no busses, since the children
walk to school in this area. Mr. Howard explained about the effect on the
noise pollution, traffic patterns, and algae growth in the lake. He noted that
• surface runoff into the lake causes pollution, and additional asphalt would
increase it. He stated that tie 'did not expect the city to stop 236th, but he
had outlined some of the minor problems that can be taken care of.
Carol Chapman then made a presentation for proposed action for the preservation
of the Lake Ballinger basin. She stated that Edmonds must be more active to
preserve this unique asset of the Lake and the surrounding green belt, and that
Edmonds should work with the other governmental units when this whole basin is
affected. She therefore stated that the Lake Ballinger Community Club recom-
mended: (1) That the Edmonds City Council re-examine the implications of the
proposed 236th-228th extension, to see if it is still pertinent to present day
transportation plans. She felt there was no need for this road and urged the
city to officially act to discourage it based on a re-evaluation of the needs
of Edmonds. (2) That the City Council go on record as supporting southbound..
ramps at the 220th S.W. freeway interchange. She stated that she saw 220th
as a viable alternative and the Snohomish County Transportation Plan calls for
220th southbound ramps. She stated that the residents here tonight urged that
these ramps be built in the near future. (3) That the City Council read the
environmental impact statement done by Stevens, Thompson, and Runyon to see its
implications for Edmonds residents. There is already a four lane road (SR 104)
south of the Lake, and do we really need another road north of the lake. (4)
that the City Council undertake a joint study with Mountlake Terrace, Lynnwood,
and Snohomish County to study the drainage into Lake Ballinger. (5) That the
City Council install better filters in the present storm sewers flowing through
Edmonds,to provide drainage safe -guards for the lake.
Medford Hogman projected a'map on the screen, showing Edmonds areas surrounding
the lake, as well as explaining impact of roads on these..
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Following these presentations there was council discussion and questions and
answers between council and audience. Councilman Gellert wondered if when the
Edmonds portion of 228th was built, wasn't there great concern if the Mountlake
Terrace section was not built, that there would be mass traffic congestion on
76th. Councilman Nordquist stated that he would like to add a (6) item to
Mrs. Chapman's list, to state that if the road does go through, some communi-
cation should be sent to Mountlake Terrace to encourage it to keep the 236th ramp
open. One gentleman in the audience disagreed with this. There then followed
more discussion. Jim Chapman, 22321 - 75th W., stated that traffic patterns
there now would probably be reduced if the south bound ramps were open.
It was noted that the City of Edmonds has gone on record as supporting a full
interchange on 220th. Councilman Nelson made a comparison of 236th and 76th,
and said that you cannot have everything you would like, and which is worse,
76th or 236th. Mr. Boye answered that there was no comparison; that the 76th
traffic flow is workable, reasonable, and he is impressed. He felt the residents
would rather not have 236th, and keep 76th as it is. He added that 76th has not
created a noise factor for people on the lake, and in their opinion, the impact
was less for traffic flow on 76th than on 236th. Councilman Nelson then stated
that they must feel that 76th is the lesser of the two evils. There was dis-
cussion on the history of these planned thoroughfares and their impact on the
communities. Ken Welling, in the audience, stated that money and engineers were
needed to prepare a contrary environmental impact statement to Mountlake Terrace's
statement, and that this would be the only way to stop it. Councilman Nelson felt
council would have to convince the Highway Dept. to put 220th and 236th for use
to get to the east, not to the west, and this logic might get them to change the
plans rather than an environmental impact statement. Helen Michael, a resident
of Mountlake Terrace, told council that the Urban Arterial Board was receptive to
individuals and citizen input was effective. City Attorney James Murphy advised
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that the council and residents of Ballinger should concern themselves with items
not dealt with in the original environmental impact statement done by the firm
for Mountlake Terrace, such as concern with that statement having dealt with
factors east of the lake, and not west of the lake, for example. Mr. Boye
suggested going to the UAB regarding the road, and have some members of the
Edmonds council accompany them.
Following further discussion, a motion was made by Councilman Anderson, seconded
by Councilman Nordquist that the City of Edmonds again write to District 7 of the
Highway Dept. to reiterate support of the diamond interchange at 220th and 1-5.
This motion carried unanimously. Councilman Anderson then said council must be
sure to hear a summary of the environmental impact statement before December 5,
that had been submitted by Mountlake Terrace. City Planner Joe Wallis noted that
Kay Shoudy had made a summary of this study and it would be typed by and distributed
to council.
It was moved by Councilman Anderson, seconded by Councilman Nordquist to set
November 27 as the date to have a Staff report on the environmental impact study
on 236th as submitted by Mountlake Terrace. Motion carried unanimously.
Councilman Gellert then suggested attending the Mountlake Terrace city council
meeting regarding this item, and it was decided that their council members on
one of their agendas for this purpose. Councilmen Gellert, Nordquist, and
Nelson said they would like to attend.
In regard to an item in Mrs. Chapman's presentation, a motion was made by Council-
man Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Anderson that council instruct the City
Engineer to study the problem of the drainage into Lake Ballinger jointly with •
Mountlake Terrace, Lynnwood, and both King and Snohomish Counties, as these
studies become available. Motion carried. It was also moved by Councilman
Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Anderson, that in connection with item 5 in the
presentation the City Engineer be instructed to study the filter -problem in the
present storm sewers flowing through Edmonds and draining into the lake and to
study this with the State Highway Department, and report back to council within
60 days. Motion carried. Mr. Hogman suggested that it might be wise to find
out the effect on Halls Lake when the Chase Lake area is sewered.
PARKVIEW FIRS
City Planner Joe Wallis stated that again at the request of the applicant, this
item be delayed. It was decided to delete it from council agendas until such
time as the applicant makes a request.
APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT - TALL FIRS
City Planner Joe Wallis turned the presentation over to Engineer Leif Larson, who
explained that some improvements were already in and there was bonding for completion.
Therefore, based on this, he recommended approval of the final plat.
A motion was made by Councilman Nelson, seconded by Councilman Gellert to approve
the final plat of Tall Firs, subject to any engineering requirements. Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT - SEAVIEW FIRS
City Engineer Larson stated that with the improvements that are in, and bonding
for the remainder, he recommended approval of this plat.
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A motion was made by Councilman Nelson, seconded by Councilman Gellert to approve
the final plat of Seaview Firs, subject to all engineering requirements.
Motion carried.
APPLICATION FOR STREET USE PERMIT: FOGCUTTER RESTAURANT
An application had been received for a sign for the Fog Cutter Restaurant, 3rd
and Main. City Engineer Leif Larson recommended approval based on other similar
signs in the downtown area.
There followed discussion on the number of street use permit applications that
have come before council just lately, and there was thought that these perhaps
should be held until the Amenities Design Board could have chance to review
them. However, it was also mentioned that a cutoff date should -be set for this
procedure, and that it might seem discriminatory to delay these on the agenda
tonight, when others have been acted upon at previous meetings.
It was then moved by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Nelson to
approve the street use application for a sign as noted for the Fog Cutter
Restaurant at 3rd and Main, and this be approved on condition that the applicant
indemnify and hold the city harmless from all claims arising out of the use and
provide adequate insurance for public liability and/or property damage, naming
the city as an also insured. A roll call vote was taken, and the motion carried
with Councilman Nelson, Nordquist, Anderson and Winters in favor; Gellert and
Councilwoman Shippen against.
APPLICATION FOR STREET USE PERMIT: THE CHRISTMAS COTTAGE
• City Engineer Leif Larson recommended approval of the request for a canopy over
the sidewalk at the Christmas Cottage, 527 Dayton.
A motion was made by Councilman Nelson, seconded by Councilman Nordquist to approve
the application for the canopy as noted, for The Christmas Cottage at 527 Dayton,
and this also be approved on condition that the applicant indemnify and hold the
city harmless from all claims arising out of the use and provide adequate insurance
for public liability and/or property damage, naming the city as an also insured.
This motion also carried, with Gellert and Shippen voting against.
Councilwoman Shippen then made a motion, seconded by Councilman Gellert that
council not consider any more of these street use applications as of now, and
refer them to the Amenities Design Board for review and a report back to council
with the Board's recommendations on each application. Motion carried.*
CORRESPONDENCE
Mayor Harrison reported that a letter had been received from -Dave Thompson of
the Boundary Review Board, asking for a recommendation of someone to fill the
vacancy created by the unexpired term of Don Lawson. Gordon Maxwell had been
serving on the Board, and the Mayor noted that he recommended that Gordon Maxwell
be appointed to the other term.
Mayor Harrison reported on a letter received from James W. Garrison, 8120-187th S.W.,
expressing his concern with the energy crisis, and asking if Edmonds could possibly
adopt a program of reduced street lighting. Councilman Gellert stated that he
felt reduced lighting would not be safe in residential areas, especially where there
are no sidewalks, and he said that he had discussed reduced lighting with PUD
• officials, and felt any saving here would not be great. City Engineer Larson
noted that Edmonds' light intensity is lower than the minimum standards.
GRADE RESOLUTION FOR SECTION OF SR 104
City Engineer Leif Larson reported that the State Highway Dept. has requested
that the City of Edmonds adopt a grade resolution for the section of SR 104 from
5th Avenue to 100th Ave. W. City Attorney James Murphy presented a proposed
resolution, and it was moved by Councilman Nelson, seconded by Councilman Nordquist
that proposed Resolution #287 be passed, adopting the grade on this section of
highway, and the motion carried.
CLAIMS FOR DAMAGES
A claim for damages was acknowledged from Phillip G. Escandon, and this was
referred to the City Clerk for processing.
BUDGET REVIEW
It was noted that another council session should be spent on the review of the
proposed 1974 budget, and it was moved by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by
Councilman Nelson to set this review for Thursday evening, November 29 at 7:00 P.M.
Motion carried.
AUTHORIZATION FOR CALL FOR BIDS - BULKHEAD AT SENIOR CENTER
City Engineer Larson requested that council set a bid date for the contract to
rebuild the existing bulkhead at the South County Senior Center, and suggested
December 13.
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A motion was made by Councilman Nordquist, seconded by Councilman Gellert that
December 13 be set for opening of bids on the rebuilding of the bulkhead at the'
South Senior Center, and the motion carried.
There was no further business to come before council, and the meeting was
adjourned at 10:00 P.M.
Irene Varney Mori, City Clerk HarVe H. Harrison, Mayor
November 27, 1973
RnT.T. CAT.T.
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 P.M.
by Mayor Harve Harrison, with all six council members present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the meeting of November 20 had been posted, mailed and distributed.
Councilwoman Shippen said that she would like to'clarify a statement made on
page 4, second paragraph from the bottom which refers to street use applications.
She would like it to read, "...council not consider any more above ground level
street use applications....". The minutes were then approved as corrected.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION •
Councilman Nelson stated that he would like the members of the council to start
thinking about establishing a Blue Ribbon Committee, appointed by the council,
to study the Mayor's position. He thought perhaps each council member could
suggest two people to serve on this committee. This committee would bring back
recommendations prior to the Fall election in 1974 as to the time involvement
necessary for the Mayor, salary recommendations, etc. He said he would be
prepared to make a motion on this matter on December 10th. Councilwoman Shippen
asked if we could, at the same time, consider other alternatives to our present
form of government. Councilman Nelson said yes as part of the study to be
made by this committee would be to consider changing or strengthening our present
form of government, or completely re=structuring. Councilman Gellert thought
that we should discuss whether or not to establish this Blue Ribbon Committee
on the 10th, but that we should delay actually appointing people to serve on
the committee to a later time. In answer to a question from Councilman"Gellert
Attorney John Wallace, replied that the council can appoint committee for special
study purposes.
Councilman Gellert said that he had discussed the gasoline shortage with Chief
Foster. Councilman Gellert said that he thought any new vehicles purchased
by the city should be of the smallest size possible to do the job for which it
is intended. Chief Foster had thought perhaps this would be feasible. He
said a fuel saving could be realized this way, and also the vehicles could be
less expensive.
Councilwoman Shippen said that she had noted in the CDC Minutes that an environ-
mental impact study will be necessary on 196th and 220th. She asked who is
doing this. Engineer Leif Larson replied that this is being handled through the
consulting engineer. Mr. Larson said he felt it would be some time before 196th •
world be done, as they have found that the traffic there is over 20,000 which
would necessitate air and noise pollution studies. This requires another special
consultant. Mrs. Shippen asked if the consultant had been made aware that we
may be asking for more right-of-way? Mr. Larson said that we have asked that
they make a preliminary design and then it will be brought back to the city council
so that the council can go over what they have, what they want and what the
problems are.
Councilman Gellert inquired when the council would be asked to vote on appointments
to the Amenities Design Board? The Mayor replied that this would be after the
first of the year.
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Dewey Leyda expressed his displeasure with the pipe railing that had been put on
top of the bulkhead across the street from his home on Sunset Avenue.
Mrs. Jane Cunninghamy:, 1030 Grandview, stated that she has again come to council
asking for help with a drainage situation near her home. She appeared before
council on the 12th of December, 1972 regarding the same matter. Mrs. Cunningham
read a portion of the minutes of that date, wherein she had explained the
problem of drainage, etc. She said the city did put in extensive drainage
down the street, so that her neighbors, the Phillips! and the Herbs no longer
have a problem. She said the roof drainage has not been taken care of and is
still emptying down the back of the convenience store. Mrs. Cunningham also
said that nothing has been done to the berm, so that water is not directed to
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