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Mayor Harrison recommended to council that they ado& - the proposed program subject
to the EEA program picking up labor costs.
There was discussion on the matter, and A MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN GELLERT,
MOTION: SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN SHIPPEN TO ADOPT PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 4439
SUBJECT TO THE AVAILABILITY OF EEA MONEY AND SUBJECT TO THE APPOINTMENT OF THE
COMMITTEES BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON AUGUST 20. Councilman Welling said he felt
council should take a more realistic look at the scope of the program and the
costs before they waste anyone's time and also waste money. There was a great
deal of discussion. This was followed by A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN NELSON TO
AMEND THE MOTION AND HAVE THE ADVISORY COMMITEE STUDY THE LAND USE AREA, AND
THAT BE THE ONE AREA TO BE SET UP FOR THE PRESENT. This motion died for lack of
a second. VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION THEN CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN NELSON VOTING
AGAINST.
6 YEAR STREET IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
City Engineer Leif Larson presented copies of the City of Edmonds' revised 6-year
construction program for the period of 1975-1980, which requires updating annually
by State Law. He was requesting that the resolution adopting this program be
adopted in order to meet.deadlines established by the State. A proposed reso-
lution was also prepared and ready.
POTION: Because of the late hour, IT WAS MOVED BY COUNCILMAN GELLERT, SECONDED BY.COUNCIL-
MAN ANDERSON THAT THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED FOR ONE WEEK. MOTION CARRIED.
CLAIMS FOR DAMAGES
A claim for damages was received and acknowledged from Erling H. Thorsen. This was
referred to the City Clerk for processing
ADJOURNMENT
There was no further business to come before council, and the meeting was adjourned
at 11:25 P.M.
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July 9, 1974
ROLL CALL
Harve H. Harrison, Mayor
The Edmonds City Council Work Meeting was called to order at.7i30 P.M. by Mayor
Harve Harrison, with all council members present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of.the meeting of July 2 had been posted, mailed and distributed. City
Engineer, Leif Larson, noted that the last sentence in paragraph 2, page 6 should re
read as follows: "Therfore, the Engineer had the resolution prepared, following
receipt of the -petition".
Couniclman Nelson referred to page 1, under Council Participation - following the
word "standards" on line 23, he would like inserted the statement "The intent of the
motion being that we should let the people decide". He noted another correction on
,page 6 fourth line from the bottom, it should way each of the.Advisory Committes
rather than "the".
Counclman.Welling noted accorrectidn-dnPpage22,�%paragraph'2=��iext{=to�Iast'-j rie.
It should say "impact of SR 104 to Highway 511.
Following a brief discussion regarding the advisory ballot, the minutes were
approved as corrected.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION
Councilman Gellert reported that he,MMrs. Shippen, Dave Larson and John Wallace
met on July 8th with representatives from PUD regarding undergrounding and the
PUD presented a tentative proposal. The proposal indicated that 2% of the
revenues be made availbble to undergrounding on a pro rate use basis. They would
the create a revolving fund which would accumulate for three years and anything
that is not.used from the earliest year, would go back into their general funds.
Mr. Gellert stated that he received work today from Cecil Ferrill that it has
been taken up at the Commissioners Meeting and the staff was given permission
to pursue the legal implications of this policy. He said that PUD is hoping
to get a resolution worked out for a new undergrounding policy befoM the%,
budget hearings in October. Councilman Gellert said that they are meeting on
a month to month basis to try to deep this program moving forward.
Councilman Nelson mentioned that it had been brought to his attention that
children are crawling into a drainage pipe located just west of Olympic.Elementary
School. He wondered if someone could look into the possibility of putting a
collar on the pip6. Mayor Harrison asked Engineer Larson to look into this.
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Councilwoman Shippen'noted that on the agenda for the Planning Commission Meeting
'"tomorrow night, the problem of clarifying our building heights will be taken up.
She asked Joe Wallis if the phrase 'in the-Building:Code regarding rooftop
appurtenances was ever clarified:- Mr. Wallis said he believed it has been taken
care of in the way we have defined the new building height.
Mayor Harrison stated that he had a request from the City Engineer to set a bid
date of August 8, 1974 for water pipe and.fittings in connection with the
MOTION: $2,000,000 Bond Issue. MOTION MADE'BY COUNCILMAN GELLERT AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN NELSON TO SET AUGUST 8TH'AS THE BID OPENING DATE FOR VARIOUS SIZED
WATER PIPE AND FITTINGS. MOTION CARRIED.
CORRESPONDENCE
The Deputy City Clerk read a note from Dorothy Tuson thanking the Mayor and
Council for a resolution"in Donald Tuson's memory, which had been presented to
her.
REPORT,ON CABLE TV
Councilman Gellert reported on this item, stating that a meeting had taken
place be city officials and company officers on June 19, 1974. He placed
a map on the bulletin board which showed the cable TV coverage that the City of
Edmonds now has. He said they had been given balance sheets and income.statements
from Liberty `M for the past three years and a list fo the number customers for
the past three years. In the past two and one-half years the customershhave
increased from 3,200 to 3,600. Their maintenance history has been very steady
and for the most part, give less.thean 24 hour service. Mr. Gellert stated that
. hehraW. contacted the Public Utilities Commission to ask them if they had any
figures on what is considered a fair rate of return. However, they did not have
such information.
The council had previously inquired as to plans for public access. Liberty said
that they have no plans at present'for public acces, as they do not have funds
available. They did, however, say that they can make it available if the city
wantsto fund public access.. They also said that on Channel 3 or 10 we could have
such things as City Council'Agendas published. Councilman Gellert stated that
someone had asked abouth number of'customers that had dropped out during the past
three years. This, he said, seems'to peak and valley according to the season;
many people hookup up during the winter and then drop out during the summer.
According the Liberty's financial records, the actual dollars costs of the system
in Edmonds has dropped over the past three years. They lost money the first
`two years and made money at.a rate of 1-2% the third year. In view of the facts
presented, it was Mr. Gellert's opinion that the rate increase is reasonable.
Mayor Harrison noted that the actual rate increase still does not exceed any of the
neighboring systems. Councilwoman Shippen asked about the FCC rule requiring cable
operators to provide public access facilities by March of 1977. The representative
from Liberty stated that this was covered in.the memorandum which had been submitted
to the Mayor and Council. He said that prior to determining.access, the council and
the company should study the community's desires. Councilman Gellert stated that
he would pass on totthe Council all the information he had as he would hot be at
the hearing on this matter.which is scheduled for next week.
DISCUSSION ON FLUORIDATION - IN CONJUNCTION WITH: ALDERWOOD WATER DISTRICT
PROPOSE FRANCHISE.,
Councilman Anderson reported that this matter had come to his attention because
• one of his colleagues asked him if the water in Edmonds was fluoridated or not.
He said he has since become aware orT- the fact that the Seattle portion of the
water is fluoridated and the Alderwood Water District portion is not. In'his
further investigations, he has discovered the the majority of the citizens of
the United States, who are on public water supplies, are receiving fluoridated
water. He referred the council�to a memo which he had sent to the rest'of the
council with a re-pr1;�rt_ of an article about fluoridation in Seattle, Councilman
Anderson stated that fluorination is widely supported by Public Health authorities.
They feel that the most significant public health issue on a cost ratio basis
which can be done in this country, is to fluorinate water. He said that many
people do not know if their water 'is fluoridated or not; and he thought we
should clarify for the public what the situation is now. City Engineer, Leif
Larson, showed on a map the areas which have fluaoridated water and those that
do.not.. He stated that approximately one-third of our water supply is from
Seattle (whi(th is fluoridated)' and twos- thirds from Alderwood Water (whd:cYi is
not fluoridated). Mayor Harrison asked Councilman Anderson if he had any
cost figures. Councilman Anderson stated that Seattle provides fluoridated
water to their citizens.for,about 16c per capita per year. Mountlake Terrace's
cost is 60� per capita, per year. Mountlake Terrace's cost -for the fluoride
itself is 25a per capita., which is incluced in the 600.-. This indicates a cost
of 35ii�40%"for material and the rest is for maintenance of the fluoridation center.
He said.the logical thing would be to try to go on an area -wide basis to get
Everett or Alderwood to indicate some interest in fluoridating further upstream.
The Mayor asked Dr. Anderson -if he considered it a wise policy to fluoridate
the water; and Dr. Anderson -answered that'he could see no valed reason not to,
except for cost. He cited several examples of benefits to the health of adults
as well as bhlldren. He mentioned that this matter will be on the agenda for
the State Board of Health in October.
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Councilman Welling inquired about the cost of a fluoridation station. The City
.-Engineer said that he will have a new estimate made, if the council desires.
Councilman Nelson thought the attorney and the City Engineer -could begin conver-
sations with Alderwood to get some idea of whether they are interested, and cover
the legal aspects.of such a move. A MOTION WAS THEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN ANDERSON
AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST TO INSTRUCT THE ENGINEER TO SUPPLY A MAP OF
THE CITY DELINEATING THE FLUORIDATED AND NON -FLUORIDATED AREAS AND MAKE THIS MAP
AVAILABLE`'TO THE MEDIA AND THE'PHYSICIANS AND DENTISTS IN THE AREA. A gentle-
man in the audience state that he had children ages 9,6 and 3 and they have no
cavities which he believed due to the fact that their water is fluoridated.
Capt. Shields pointed out that we would be paying for fluoridating 100% of the
water, but what is used for human consupmtion is very little. He thought
therefore, that it would be more reasonable to put an attachment on the faucet -'--
which would accomplish the same thing. Following some more discussion, the motion
was voted upon and carried. COUNCILMAN ANDERSON THEN MOVED TO PETITION THE
ALDERWOOD WATER DISTRICT FOR THEIR INTEREST AND SUPPORT IN PROPOSING A PLAN FOR
FLUOB3DATION OF AREAS SUPPLIED BY THEM THAT ARE NOT NOW FLUORIDATED. COUNCILWOMAN
SHIPPEN SECONDED: THE MOTION WAS VOTED UPON AND CARRIED. Councilman Welling asked
that the City Engineer be instructed to look into the cost to us of putting a :'
fluoridation station on our 12" line in the event we do not get the cooperation
of the Alderwood Water District.
The City Attorney pointed out that a franchise cannot be let on a work meeting
night, so this was postponed until next week.
DISCUSSION ON ADVISORY BALLOT IN UTILITY BILLS'FOR HIGHWAY 196TH
Engineer Larson reported on this agenda item. He read a letter from the UAB,
dated May 24, 1973, which stated that in order'to receive UAB funding, a project •
must be place under contract or construction within 18 months from the date
of authorization. Mr. Larson stated that this project was authorized the last
of August, 1973. The Mayor then read a letter which had been received today,
from the Urban Arterial Board. The letter requested clarification fo Edmonds'
intention to withdraw or remain in the project. The requested a reply by the
16th of July, so that it could be presented at their July 18th meeting.
Wes Bogart, State Highway Engineer, commented that unless Edmonds takes some
definite action, there may be a delay in the project as a whole which would
put the City of Lynnw000d in: -difficult position. General discussion followed.
Councilman Nelson asked how much -money has'been spent on the project so far.
Wayne Jones, from Reid Middleton, said that approximately $16,000 has been
spent on preliminary engineering. There was more discussion on funding and
design of the highway, with Mr. Bogart commenting. The questionnaire to be sent
to the citizens to obtain their opinions regarding the proposed improvement on
196th was then discussed; and also the possible participation in this project.
Councilman Nordquist did not think a true reading could be obtained from these
questionnaires. He said that he talked to people ;n the shonoing area at 76th
and 196'th and the people_ did- want .the project, `abut within reason. COUNCILMAN
NORDQUhST,THEN-MOVED-_-SECONDED'BY COUNCILMAN WINTERS TO GO AHEAD WITH THE -PROJECT,
CONSIDERING -FOUR LANES FROM 76TH-TO.81ST9'-BUT VERY STRONGLY CONSIDER THREE LANES
FROM 81ST TO 88TH. There was more discussion of the design and where it should
terminate. MOTION WAS THEN VOTED UPON AND CARRIED. COUNCILWOMAN.,,S- rI-PE'EN
MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GELLERT THAT THE DESIGN FROM 81ST TO 3RD AND CASPER
BE CONSIDERED AS AN ENTITY AND DESIGNED AS SUCH, WITH ACCOMPANYING ENVIORNMENTAL
IMPACT STATEMENT DONE BY CITY STAFF... Following discussion, COUNCILMAN NELSON
MOVED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE ACTION PLAN PROCEEDINGS. MRS. SHIPPEN
SAID WHE'WOULD SECOND if action plan does not mean that the street will be designed
and then have public hearings. She thought that through questionnaires you can •
get an idea what people want before you begin. Councilman Gellert said perhaps the
business community -is on entity that should be polled in this matter; then the
people along the route and the people served by the route. City Engineer, Leif
Larson, wanted to know if.the council was rescinding its action of two weeks ago
(to withdraw from the project)? He was answered affirmatively. THE AMENDMENT
CARRIED AND THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED ALSO CARRIED.
SNO-KING AMBULANCE PROBLEM
Fire Chief Jack Cooper reported on this matter. Chief Cooper answered paragraph
by paragraph a letter which had been received from Sno-King Ambulance Service
regarding purported problems. The report was submitted in written form to the
Mayor and council. Sno-King's letter asked for a hearing before the council, and
mentioned several instances of "interference" from the Edmonds Fire Department
on recent calls. Chief Cooper stated that our Fire Department has a very good
working relationship with Stevens Hopitial Emergency personnel. He said many
doctors have commented that our E.M.T's do an outstanding job.
Chief Cooper then answered questions from the council. Councilman Gellert wanted
to know if the city aid car has -all the equipment that an ambulance has. Chief
Cooper said the aid car has all the equipment that any ambulance in the South
County Area has; and that in fact we are required to have this by our own city
ordinance and by State law. Chief Foster stated that in the 11 years he has
been with the city, there have been two 6ajor highlights with regard to giving
emergency aid to the injured or sick, ie. establishment of Stevens Hopitial and
when the city got itsdwnz aid crew. He said it is now a team effort with regard
to=.emergency services, whereas previously there were many times long delays before
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Mayor Harrison pointed out that the city receives much correspondence complementing
our aid crew.
TRUCK LOAD LIMIT
Councilman Nordquist said that he would like to have truck load limit enforcement
policy. He wondered if the Police.Chief could come back with a report on this
matter. Chief Foster said that the load.limit has not been enforceable in Edmonds
due to the fact that we do not have the weight equipment required; the situation
is not of a large enough magnitude to bring in special people and we do not have
enough manpower. He said they did recently have the State Patrol come out and
set up their equipment of 76th West, but most of the trucks checked did have a
legitimate reason.for being on that.street. Following more discussion, Councilman
Nordquist asked that this matter be set as an agenda item for July 23rd.
ENGINEER's REPORT ON UNDERGROUNDING ESTIMATE FROM PUD AND TELEPHONE CO.-.15TH SIDEWALKS.
The City Engineer said that they will have this report in two or three weeks which
will be in two parts. One will be for the undergrounding and the other for
just putting in the ducts,,so that undergrounding can be accomplished in the
future without tearing up the sidewalks.
6-YEAR STREET IMPORVEMENT PROGRAM
Engineer Larson requested that this item be postponed in view of earlier action
this evening. A MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN GELLERT AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
WINTERS TO POSTPONE THE ABOVE ITEM TO THE AUGUST 6TH MEETING. MOTION CARRIED.
The meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M., following which the council retired to. the
Mayor's Office for an executive session.
ELEANOR QUEAL T, Deput r
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July 16, 1974
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ROLL CALL
HA VE H. HARRISON, Mayor
The Regular Metting of the Edmonds Citjr. Council was called to order at 7:30.P.M.
by Mayor Harrison. All council members were present except Gellert.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of ithe Work Meeting of July 9th had been posted, mailed and distributed,
and with no omissions nor corrections, they were approved as written.
COUNCIL PARTICIPATION
Councilman Welling asked to be excused from the meeting of July 30th.,
Councilman Anderson.made reference to the.discussion'of last week regarding an
action plan to complete the remaing portion of SR524. He thought we should pro-
ceed with obtaining the public input. COUNCILMAN ANDERSON THEN MOVED THAT THE
PLANNING DEPARTMENT BE DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH ALL DUE SPEED WITH PWONNE3 AND
FUNDS WITHING THE PRESENT BUDGET TO PLAN A SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS,
SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING THE CASPEW TO 3RD AVENUE AREA: THE PUGETDDRIVE-OLYMPIC
AVENUE AREA AND THE 81ST TO 88TH AVENUE AREA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISSEMINATING
.INFORMATION AND RECEIVENG CITIZEN INPUT REGARDING POSSIBLE.ALTERNATIVE HIGHWAY
PLANS FOR SR 524; EACH MEETING TO BE ATTENDED BY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE
ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. COUNCILWOMAN SHIPPEN SECONDED. Councilman
Nelson asked why this matter was going via the Planning Department.in lieu of
the Engineering Department? Councilman Anderson stated that this is partly a
planning affair. City Engineer, Leif Larson, stated that he thought this is an
-planning
problem.,at this time. He felt that if some of the basic plans for
the city are changed, you would have to get back into the Toroughfare Plan, etc.
Councilwoman Shippen said that the action plan calls for public opinion to be
elicited so that it can be fed into the ultimate design. Engineer Larson stated
that some way or another we have to get a balance of what is required with regard
to safety and engineering and what the peoples''wants are. However, when it comes
down to the final responsibility on the design, the engineer is the person who
puts his name on the line and is staking his professional reputation on it.
MOTION VOTED UPON AND CARRIED.
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Jim Mueller, Chairman of the Blue Ribbon Committee, officailly presented the
Committee Report to the council and Mayor: This committee had been established
to study the form of government for the City of Edmonds, and was established by
council action'on January 8, 1974. He expressed appreciation to council and all
persons on the city staff, expecailly Ron Whaley and Judi Huber. The committee
made',two major recommendations. They recommed.ed the adoption of the council-
manager -form of government; and strongly suggested a special election on this
matter be held not later than the 13th of May, 1975. The Committee further
suggested that a resolution be adopted by the City Council and forwarded to the
State Legislature that code cit�.s;be permitted to elect three councilmen every