19780926 City Council Minutes• September 26, 1978
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The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Mayor Pro tem
Tom Carns in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds Civic Center. All present joined in the flag.
salute. Mayor Harrison arrived shortly after the call to order and conducted the meeting.
PRESENT STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison, Mayor Charles Dibble,.M.A.A.
Mike Herb John LaTourelle, Community Development Director
Phil Clement Fred Herzberg, Acting Public Works Director
Katherine Allen Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
John Nordquist Marlo Foster, Police Chief
Ray Gould Jack Cooper, Fire Chief
Tom Carns Art Housler, Finance Director
Larry Naughten John Wallace, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
CONSENT AGENDA
MOTION: Items (D), (E), (F), and (H) were removed from the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST MOVED,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. The
balance of the Consent Agenda contained the following:
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of Minutes of September 19, 1978.
(C) Setting date of October 24, 1978 for hearing of P.C. Resolution 604, recommending denial
• of a proposed amendment to the Official Street Map to vacate 84th Ave. W., south of 202nd
St. S.W. (File ST-5-78)
(G) Approval to readvertise for bid date of October 18, 1978 for the rehabilitation of the
Edmonds Museum.
(I) Adoption of Ordinance 2025, abolishing the Fair Housing Commission and authorizing the
City Council to act in its place.
AUTHORIZATION FOR MAYOR TO EXECUTE AGREEMENT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF SEWER LIFT STATIONS IN EDMONDS
[Item (D) on Consent Agenda]
Councilman Nordquist asked whether an electrician or a plumber was being hired under this agreement,
as he was concerned about previous problems which had been experienced. Acting Public Works Director
Fred Herzberg responded that an electrical assistant is hired by Mr. Kloes for electrical maintenance.
MOTION:
COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST MOVED, SCONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, TO APPROVE ITEM'(D) ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORT ON BIDS OPENED SEPTEMBER 21, 1978 FOR FIVE CORNERS TANK PROJECT [Item (E) on Consent Agenda]
Councilman Naughten said.a letter had been received charging some irregularities in this bid. Mr.
Herzberg said the letter stated that the low bidder had not listed his subcontractors. He said.
th.is was a reasonably normal procedure if the specified things listed are to be used, which the low
bidder had so indicated. He said the low bidder and the writer of the letter were both bidding on
the same systems and with the same subcontractor. The low bidder will accept the responsibility for
all of the operation, where some other bidders may accept responsibility only for their pumps or
certain equipment. John Olson of Reid, Middleton & Associates said that if the contractor were
going to use some subcontractor other than specified in the bid document he would be.obligated to
list that. He said his firm felt that the bid was submitted just as specified. Further, he said
they had specified full unit responsibility and that was the way the low bidder bid. There was
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some discussion as to whether the amount of the required bid bond was high enough in the event the
low bidder would want to back out on his bid. City Attorney. John Wallace was asked if he was satisfied
with the bid. He responded that there is a requirement that if certain things are specified the bidder
must bid those items, their equal, or better --as determined by the City. He said that if the engineers
were satisfied that what was presented to them was equal to or better than that which had to be met,
then it is within the"touncil's prerogative to waive any irregularities and to award to the low bidder.
MOTION:
He said the Council could also throw it all out and start over again. COUNCILMAN CARNS.MOVED, SECONDED
(Tabled)
BY COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN, TO AWARD THE CONTRACTS TO THE LOW BIDDERS ON SCHEDULES I AND II FOR THE FIVE
CORNERS TANK PROJECT. COUNCILMAN GOULD MOVED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT THE APPROVAL.IS
Amendment
GRANTED WITH THE PROVISO THAT THE CITY RECEIVE WRITTEN ASSURANCE THAT THE LOW BIDDERS HAVE MET THE
(Failed)
SPECIFICATIONS IN EVERY DETAIL. COUNCILMAN CARNS SECONDED.THE MOTION TO AMEND,.FOR DISCUSSION.
Councilman Carns then said he did not think such a proviso was necessary as the specifications had
to.be met and'the engineers had stated they were met. THE MOTION.TO'AMEND THEN FAILED. THE VOTE WAS
NOT UNANIMOUS, BUT A ROLL CALL VOTE WAS NOT TAKEN. Councilwoman Allen felt that the report on the
MOTION:
bids was.not adequate. COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLEMENT TO TABLE THE
REPORT ON THE WATER TANK BIDS -UNTIL OCTOBER 3, 1978 IN ORDER TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE STAFF REGARDING
THE LETTER WHICH CHARGED IRREGULARITIES AND TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAD ARISEN
DURING THE DISCUSSION. MOTION TO TABLE CARRIED, WITH. COUNCILMEN CARNS AND NAUGHTEN VOTING NO.
REPORT ON BIDS OPENED SEPTEMBER 21, 1978 FOR STREET OVERLAY PROJECT Item (F) on Consent Agenda
Councilman Nordquist noted that in a contract rezone last year of the Doces property, which is in one
of the areas planned for street overlay, Mr. Doces had indicated a willingness to participate in street
improvements there. Councilman Nordquist suggested a decision should not be made on this matter until
it is determined whether Mr. Doces could be required to participate in this improvement. (Councilman
Carns asked that the record indicate he would not participate in action on this matter, as he had not
participated in the contract rezone matter, in light of the Appearance of Fairness Doctrine and the
MOTION:
fact that he also is in the furniture business, as is Mr. Doces.) COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST THEN MOVED,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, TO TABLE ACTION ON THE BIDS FOR STREET OVERLAY UNTIL OCTOBER 3, 1978.
MOTION CARRIED.
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COUNCIL
Councilman Carns noted that there was a representative present from the Washington State Department of
Transportation in regard to Item 6 on the agenda, and he suggested that item might be heard before
MOTION: Item 5. COUNCILMAN CARNS THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GOULD, TO REVERSE ITEMS 5 AND 6 ON THIS
EVENING'S AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED.
Councilman Carns felt that the Council should try to decide by December what would be included in a
MOTION: 1979 bond issue if one were put before the people. COUNCILMAN CARNS MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
GOULD, THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BE REQUESTED TO PREPARE A LIST OF ITEMS WHICH MIGHT BE INCLUDED IN A
1979 BOND ISSUE, TO BE PRESENTED FOR THE NOVEMBER 14 MEETING, AND THAT ITEMS BE IDENTIFIED BY GEO-
GRAPHIC AREA AND BY FUNCTION. MOTION CARRIED.
Councilman Nordquist expressed condolences on the death of Colleen Kepler, an Edmonds resident who
lost her life in the San Diego airliner crash on Monday. Miss Kepler had been well thought of by all
who knew her.
Councilman Naughten noted that Community Development Director John LaTourelle had recommended that
subdivisions or building permits which are pending should be exempt from the payment of the in -lieu
park land fee which had not been required at the onset of such applications.' He felt a person should
have the opportunity to be advised of all requirements when making an application. COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN
MOTION: MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE MR. LaTOURELLE'S SUGGESTION TO EXEMPT PENDING
SUBDIVISIONS OR BUILDING PERMITS FROM THE IN -LIEU PARK LAND FEE. MOTION CARRIED.
DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO SR 524 (196TH ST. S.W.)
Acting Public Works Director Fred Herzberg displayed a map of the proposed project and explained what
improvements will be included in each section. John Klassel, Design Engineer for the Washington State
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Department of Transportation, was present for the discussion. The intersection of 88th Ave. W. and
196th St. S.W. was discussed at length because it is such a dangerous intersection. It was explained
that the improvement would increase the sight distance at that location, improving the safety. Mr.
Klassel explained that if it was desired to preclude left turn movements there that would be an option
of the City. Any traffic light would have to be warranted. The State's plans are to begin construction
on the first phase in May of 1979. Mr. Herzberg said they would like the Council to acknowledge the
concept as presented and to acknowledge that the 60' right-of-way is required and that some additional
right-of-way will be required in the lower area. Councilman Carns commented that when a major improve-
ment like this is accomplished the utility wires should be undergrounded at the same time. The public
portion of the discussion was opened.
Laura Hall of 1140 Edmonds St. suggested that 196th be posted that slow moving traffic should move to
the right. She felt that going south on 88th at 196th is dangerous and that the proposed change would
increase that danger. Steve Callender of 810 Hindley Lane suggested there be some better ramping to
196th, especially from Hindley Lane. Roger Hertrich of 120 Puget Dr. asked that there be other meetings
to involve more people with ideas on this. He said he had been involved as a participating citizen
for a number of years. He felt there should be only two moving lanes. Jim Mueller of 209 Caspers St.
felt sidewalks on one side would be adequate, rather than having them on both sides. His preference
was to keep the roadway similar to its present configuration, adding some safety improvements. He
felt the area should remain pastoral. .Ann Spivey of 300 Caspers St. agreed. Dick Jones of 341 Caspers
said that the former engineer, Wes Bogart, had indicated there was no objection to taking 196th off
the State highway system. Councilman Carns responded that the City has no way to overlay that street
without the help of the State. Councilwoman Allen added that she sympathized with the idea of keeping
that area pastoral, but she noted there is the fact of the ferry traffic and Edmonds Way cannot carry
it all. Mr. Mueller felt the State would maintain it even if it were not widened, and he said he would
like to bring to the Council some photographs of east and west scenes on Caspers, Puget Dr., and 9th.
With the proposed right-of-way he said some of the sidewalks would run right next to homes and a lot
of the greenery will be lost. W. H. Brown who lives at the intersection of 88th and 196th did not
see how this plan would alleviate the accident situation at that location. Don VanDriel of 630 Laurel
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said preparations should be made to acquire the necessary rights -of -way before going ahead with this
and safety should be examined rather than causing increased speed coming down the hill. He felt there
should be protection on the side of the highway for children, such as a pedestrian overpass. Mr. Klassel
said it would be difficult to warrant a pedestrian overpass. Councilman Clement asked how this proposal
conformed to the specifications at which the Council had arrived after the hearings held 1z years ago.
Mr. Klassel responded that this plan was developed from those specifications. Councilman Clement noted
that the Council had specified only three lanes of traffic and bus turnouts. Mr. Klassel said bus
turnouts are not recommended on these types of streets for safety reasons --getting the bus back out
being the greatest hazard. Councilman Herb felt the State did not appreciate the amount of use the
Olympic View Elementary School children made of 196th St. He asked for guidelines to see how close
the City would be to qualifying for a pedestrian overpass. Mr. Klassel said he would furnish the
criteria. Councilman Gould expressed concern also about the schoolchildren. He felt the ramping
suggested by Mr. Callender should be given consideration.- He was concerned about the damming of a
stream as the result of the road improvements. Mr. Herzberg had indicated this would be used for
water retention purposes, and Councilman Gould felt that would have an adverse environmental impact.
Walt Schoeneberg, 1055 Puget Dr., had the opinion that the children handling the safety for crossing
at the school were doing an excellent job and that drivers were aware of the situation and were careful
there. He did not think the problem was any worse than when he moved to Edmonds 10 years ago. He
felt some of the ferry.traffic should be diverted to Main St. A lengthy discussion then followed
regarding the proposed 60' right-of-way. Many of the residents of the area affected objected because
of the.results to their properties. It did not appear that the. Council could take action on this
MOTION: matter without further information and consideration. COUNCILMAN HERB MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
CARNS, TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO SR 524 TO OCTOBER 10, 1978. MOTION
CARRIED. It was requested that minutes of the last two meetings on this subject be included in the
material furnished to the Council. It was also requested that in the future when the Council is con-
sidering a matter that has been heard previously they be furnished backup material from those previous
meetings. A short recess was announced.
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HEARING ON EDMONDS GOAL - WATERFRONT
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MOTION:
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Councilman Carns said the basic idea of -the -Council was to.have the waterfront as much as possible for
public use, not using it for such things as residential facilities. He said he was hopeful that a bond
issue in.1979 would provide some money for acquisition of waterfront property. Councilman Clement com-
mented that the goals could be attained without the City actually owning the property. Laura Hall of
1140 Edmonds St. expressed concern regarding the hazard to pedestrians crossing the Burlington Northern
Railway tracks in order to get to the waterfront. She felt people should not be encouraged to.walk to
the waterfront when such a hazard exists. She suggested the railroad be approached about burying the
railroad through this area. Robert Pantley, a member of the°:Shorelines Advisory Committee, noted that
the Port will be developing its property and that should be considered. He said the Shorelines Advisory
Committee would like the people to have the feeling that the waterfront area is available to them. He
said the Committee is trying to mitigate the traffic hazards. Dick Slye of 260 Beach P1. said he could
not visualize people going down to the waterfront to shop because the weather is only good three months.
of the year. Leonard Friesendahl of 181 W. Dayton did.not agree with the proposal to eliminate residential
use from the waterfront area. He agreed with Mr. Slye that the weather would not be conducive to attracting
shoppers to that area. Rachel Bell, a member of the Shorelines Advisory Committee, expressed the view that
the area between Dayton and the ferry dock should be kept as it is. Mayor Harrison commented that he
thought everything would remain about the same down to Dayton with the exception of the Friesendahl cabins.
No one else in the audience wished to speak, and the public discussion was closed. It was noted that on
October 10 the Council will be considering P.C. Resolution 600 regarding permitted uses and development
in the CW zone. Councilman Gould noted that he did not want to see any changes in the Policy Plan.
PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH FEES FOR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MAJOR PROJECTS
This item was continued from September 19 at which time the Council asked for a comparison of costs for
permits for a normal building in various jurisdictions. Community. Development Director John LaTourelle
submitted the requested figures but noted that different jurisdictions compute their fees differently.
He said he could not calculate without an undue amount of effort what it actually costs to process a
building permit. He noted that the fee his department had recommended for notification of major Architec-
tural Review Board projects had included only the costs attributed to notification --not to the review or
other activities that go along with the process. Mayor Harrison noted that there are some charges that.
were not included in,the comparison breakdown. He felt this matter should be postponed until the whole
fee schedule can be reviewed. Robert Pantley asked that he be included in reviewing the one-step permit
process when it is developed. Councilman Clement responded that the process will involve public hearings
so Mr. Pantley would have the opportunity at that time to review it. He added that he was not sure he
liked a task force approach to all problems, especially when the same members are involved. There was
some discussion as to who actually would benefit from the notifications regarding major Architectural
Review Board projects, the applicant or public. There was no general consensus. COUNCILMAN NAUGHTEN
THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, TO UPHOLD P.C. RESOLUTION 602, RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF ESTAB-
LISHMENT OF A FEE FOR ALL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD APPLICATIONS FOR MAJOR PROJECTS. MOTION CARRIED.
There was no further business to come before the Council, and the meeting was adjourned at 11:10 p.m.
IRENE VARNEY MORAN, Vty Clerk
October 3, 1978
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Mayor Pro tem Tom
Carns in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds Civic Center. All present joined in the flag salute. Mayor
Harrison arrived shortly after the call to order and conducted the meeting.
PRESENT STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison, Mayor
Mike Herb
Phil Clement
Katherine Allen
John Nordquist
Ray Gould
Tom Carns
Larry Naughten
CONSENT AGENDA
Charles Dibble, M.A.A.
Leif Larson, Public Works Director
John LaTourelle, Community Development Director.
Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
Mary Lou Block, Assistant City Planner
Fred Herzberg, City Engineer
Art Housler, Finance Director
Jim Jesse!, Parks & Recreation Manager
John Wallace, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
Items (F), (G), and (H) were removed from the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMAN GOULD MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN ALLEN, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. The balance of the
MOTION: Consent Agenda contained the following: ,
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of Minutes of September 26, 1978.
(C) Acceptance of Quit Claim Deed in conjunction with short subdivision (File S-46-78 - Lantz).
(D) Adoption of Ordinance 2026 setting 1979 Tax Levy. I..
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