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size and variety of fireworks. Councilmember Allen thought the City of Everett wanted some local
option to make regulations. COUNCILMEMBER ALLEN MOVED; SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER BECK THAT THE
CITY COUNCIL .JOIN WITH THE CITY OF EVERETT IN THEIR INTENT TI CHANGE THE LEGISLATION REGARDING
FIREWORKS. MOTION CA.RRTED.
Councilmember Hall stated that there has been some confusion regarding the roles of the Library
Board, the Friends of the Library, and Sno-Isle Regional Library, and she asked that the Staff
research this.
Councilmember Naughten complimented Personnel Director Pat LeMay on the notebook of job descriptions
of City employees which he had compiled.and provided to the Council.
Councilmember Jaech noted that last week Councilmember Allen asked for an explanation of Item 614 on
page 12 of the investment Activities Report. She said that was $750 in the Spacial Library Fund
which was established and has been budgeted for lecture speakers. She read a report on that from
the Finance Director.
Councilmember Jaech had received a letter from Ferral K. and Caroline E. Goodrich about tree heights.
A neighbor of these people had planted a row of pine and fir trees across his 150' lot line and the
trees now blocked the Sound view of the Gocdrichs. Councilmember Jaech said she had been assured
previously that a line of trees constitutes a fence and should be kept to 6' in height. Planning
Director Mary Lou Block said that in that previous conversation she had understood Councilmember
Jaech to be speaking of a row of pyramidalis. She said she would investigate the question.
Councilmember Jaech stated that Planning Board member Ken Mattson was not aware that the Council had
referred the matter of helicopters to the Planning Board, and she asked that it be checked.
Council President Kasper noted that the Council had, received a memo last week from Property Manager
Jim Jessel regarding a preventive maintenance program. Mayor Harrison said this was the beginning
of a study to show what the City's overhead is, including buildings that the City, itself, is not
using. He said the —program will continue.
Council President Kasper said he had a memo from the Personnel Director regarding compensatory time
and it will be considered at the next Personnel Committee meeting. COUNCILMEKBER NAUGHTEN MOVED,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMEVSER JAECE, TO SCHEDULE A PERSOKNEL COMIITTEE MEETING FOR OCTOBER 26, 1982 at
6:30 PX MOTION CARRIED.
There was no further business to come before the Council, and the meeting adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
IRENE VARNEY MORAN, ' ty Clerk
October 12, 1982 - Work Meeting
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HARVE HARRISON, Mayor
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Mayor Harve
Harrison in the Council Chambers of the Edmonds Civic Center. All present joined in the flag salute.
• PRESENT
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Harve Harrison, Mayor
Ray Gould
Jo -.Anne Jaech
Bill Kasper
Laura Hall
Larry Naughten
Katherine Allen
John Nordquist
CONSENT AGENDA
STAFF PRESENT
Jim Adams, City Engineer
Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
Mary Lou Block, Planning Director
Jeff Ristau, Accountant
Marlo Foster, Police Chief
Jack Weinz, Fire Chief
Pat Le Kay, Personnel Director
Steve Simpson, Parks & Recreation Director
Jim Jessel, Property Manager
Wayne Tanaka, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
Item (D) was removed from, the Consent Agenda. COUNCILMEMBER COULD MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER
HALL; TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, MOTION CARRIED. (Councilmembers Allen and
Nordquist were not present for the vote.) The approved items on the Consent Agenda included the
following:
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of Minutes of October 5, 19g2.
(C) Set date of November 1, 1982 for hearing on Planning Board recommendation to allow minor
automotive repair in the BN zone as a conditional use.
(E) Authorization to negotiate contract with Northwest Engineering for design of traffic
signal at SR 104 and 226th S.W.
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(F) Authorization to negotiate contract with Peterson & Associates for appraisal services.
(G) Authorization to negotiate contract with Reid, Middleton & Associates.(RMA) for final
design of north Meadowdale sanitary sewer system.
(H) Authorization to negotiate contract with RMA to prepare waiver application for secondary
sewer treatment.
(I) Authorization for Mayor to accept utility easement from Delores Curtis.
(J) Adoption of Ordinance.2322, amendment to the Ambulance Operators License Ordinance.
(K) Adoption of Ordinance 2323, amendment to the Tow Truck Operators License Ordinance.
AUTHORIZATION TO CALL FOR BIDS'ON CIVIC CENTER REMODEL [Item (D)..on Consent Agenda]
Councilmember Kasper thought the Council should examine the plans closely so they do not end up with
a problem similar to that of the library curbs. Councilmember Gould suggested they review them at
next week's Public Works Committee meeting. COUNCILMEMBER KASPER THEREFORE MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMEMBER GOULD, TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO NEXT WEEK'S CONSENT AGENDA, CHANGING THE BID OPENING DATE
TO NOVEMBER 8, 1982. MOTION CARRIED. (Councilmembers Allen.and Nordquist were not present for the
vote.)
IlTrArfa t7
Mayor Harrison said he would like to appoint Gordon Rosier to the vacant Planning Board Alternate •
position. He is a Meadowdale resident, a teacher in the Mukilteo School District, and a former
member of the Shorelines Management Committee. It was decided to interview him and Jurgen Sauerland
at 6:45 p.m., November 1, 1982. (Mayor Harrison previously had stated his intent to appoint Jurgen
Sauerland to the vacant Position 2 on the Planning Board.) Councilmember Gould requested background
information on Jurgen Sauerland.
Council President Kasper.noted that last week the Council had told Dick Beselin they would have a
decision for -.him this week regarding the Harbor Square utility hook-up but the Council would like to
delay that decision one more week while they discuss it with the City Attorneys. City Engineer Jim
Adams. will notify Mr. Beselin.
Mayor Harrison had a letter from the Personnel Department indicating they will be using the Mountlake
Terrace facilities to test potential Fire Department recruits and`.that Mountlake Terrace has re-
quested that. Edmonds sign a hold harmless agreement indemnifying Mountlake Terrace against any suit
or claim arising from personal injury or other act in connection with the use of their facilities.
City Attorney Wayne Tanaka had advised that the City Council should authorize the Mayor. to, sign the
agreement. COUNCILMEMBER JAECH MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KASPER,.TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO
SIGN THE REQUESTED HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. MOTION CARRIED. (Councilmembers Allen and Nordquist
were not present for the vote.) Mr. Tanaka said a copy.should be forwarded to the City's insurance
broker for information.
Mayor Harrison had attended a kick-off meeting in support of.SJR 143 which would make possible a
Community Redevelopment Financing Act. He thought it had potential for developing public parking in
Edmonds, and he distributed pamphlets regarding it. Councilmember-Hall also had provided some
written information to explain the concept. Councilmember Kasper commented that the Industrial
Revenue Bonds Act will not cover -the needs of Edmonds for public parking, but this may.
Councilmember Allen arrived at this time, 7:45 p.m. Councilmember Nordquist was not present until •
the discussion with the Edmonds Council of Concerned Citizens was under way.
REPORT FROM SUNSET AVE. COMMITTEE
Planning Director Mary Lou Block said the Committee last met on September 16, 1982 with the two main
topics of discussion being the planters:and the need.for improved communication with the young
people who frequent the Sunset area.. Both of these subjects are being explored further and should
be covered in a later report to the Council, probably in mid=January. The City has a new landscape
architect.who will work on some sketches for the permanent planters. They will be very simple with
poured -in -place curbing and containing landscaping and grass. Preliminary cost estimates are
approximately $10,000, and Ms. Block did not know whether this would be an appropriate use of park
funds. Councilmember Gould said that funds beyond the 1982 budget should be included in the budget
sessions so they will know whether they need to find more money. Councilmember Naughten was opposed
to the planter.boxes and the curb idea because he thought they would eliminate the public's use of a
natural asset. He thought the problem could be solved by.more police enforcement. Mayor Harrison
noted that the expense of extra policemen would offset that figure. Police Chief Marlo Foster said
they probably spent $5,000 in overtime this year policing Sunset. He noted that the size of the
area there really can only accommodate.about.half.of the people whogo there and a lot of the
congestion was because of just too many people. He did not think they could accomplish any more
enforcement than what they had done, and.he thought sight distance between cars down there had to be
broken up,.which.is the purpose of the planters. He said he had put teams of policemen walking down
there, but nothing happens when they are present. He fe.lt that wherever you have too manor people in
a public place there will alwa%,s bean impact on the residential area there. He did not think the
development.of Union.Oil Beach would lessen the.problems at Sunset.Ave. because at Sunset cars can
cruise and be seen cruising which is what the young people.want. Councilmember Kasper thought the
control this..year.was much.better,.but he could not be sure that these items were what caused the
solution and he did not know whether the money should be.spent.to install the planters permanently.
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Counci lmem.ber Gould rer.i nded -the Council of the problems last year as compared to this ,year, noting
that what they did this summer eras effective. He said for what i t will cost to make it look good
they will be providing access for the people of the City,.'tut it will be under control. He thought
the solution to be a rood one., and he noted that hiring more policemen H!ould cost much more. Chief
.Faster said that there were only about two days during the entire summer this year that there was
not parking for people --and they never had that before when the entire street was available for
parking. He said there also was much more family use.this year. Councilmember Jaech asked for a
general breakdown of the costs, and Ms. Block responded that it will be $6,000 for curbing and
$4;00 for irrigation, plantings, etc. Property Manager aim Jessel cemmer.ted that except for one
person everyone on the Committee was harpy with the planters, and in General the people who live
there and those who worked on it were happy. The Corrrittee's recommendation was to pursue the
planter idea and to improve the communication with the students in the area. Two young people
serving on the Committee were interested in pursuing improved cormunicat:ion with the students at the
local Bich schools and were going to contact school leaders and attempt to establish; a dialogue
between the students, the Sunset Ave. residents, and the City.
MEETING AND DISCUSSICN WITh' EDMONDS COl!NCIL OF CONCERNED CITIZENS
Mayor Harrison noted that one of the major issues for discussion was that of de novo hearings versus
hearings on the record. Cuuncilmember Gould said he would like to ask some questions to get the
discussion going. He asked the Edmonds Council of Concerned Citizens (ECCC), to tell the Council how
they cot started; when did they start, how mar,.), members do they have, and hoar many on the Board of
Directors; and whether they have a charter and, if so, what it is. Natalie Shippen responded that
several years ago there were discussions about zoning.the downtown and there were height questions
regarding 5th Ave. and Bayside Furniture which was going to construct a building there. Also, she
said there were two items in the new Code that were completely contrary to Council discussions. She
said height was a question.and the RMD zone excluded apartments in the business zone and made it
• , strictly a business zone, but the preliminary draft then introduced apartments to the downtown zone.
She said those two different interests appeared at the Planning Commission meetings and decided they
had something in common --some questions about the new Code --and those questions were not addressed
by the Planning Commission. When they got organized they found they had quite a bit of support.
She said there was a great deal of attention paid to the Hearing Examiner administrative changes but
none to the proposed height.change which was greatly liberalized. Lloyd Ostrom stated that there
are 530 members, with approximately 9 on the Board.of.,Trustees. That varies, he said, depending on
whether or not officers of the organization are elected from the board. Forrest Walls said the
organization does have a.charter--it is organized as a non-profit organization with a charter and
by-laws, and it grew out of the perception that there was.a need and community support for an ongoing
organization that would articulate the concerns of the citizens of the City before the City Council
and other units of City government.about issues that vitally affected them. He said it was needed
on an ongoing basis rather than an issue -by -issue basis and would be an ongoing advocate that would
assemble information and develop policy information on land use, environmental issues,.and retail
and other trade in the City. He said a whole range of community concerns are addressed in the
charter. Councilmember Allen noted that the Planning Board feels that the City Council tends to
listen too,much'to the ECCC, but she noted that Mr. Walls mentioned a key word--advocate--and they
have been an advocate of the citizenry to the Council. She said they do present a point of view and
they care, and care enough, to attend the meetings and tell the Council how they care, and she said
the Council needed to remember that point of view. Councilmember Gould noted that on September 22'
the ECCC received a letter from the Mayor saying he was going to route his proposals to change the
Community Development Code through them before sending them to the Planning Board_. He noted that
the response from Mr. Ostrom was that the ECCC could not accept the proposal and that the process is
lengthy and inefficient but it is democratic. Councilmember Gould asked if Mr. Ostrom had any ideas
on how to make that process more effective. Mr. Ostrom responded that at the meeting with the
Planning Board a large number of topics were addressed that would solve some of the problems.
Regarding the de novo hearing question, he said their feeling is that this particular process is one
that has been extremely successful and what they were discussing was what he would call communication
• type issues, procedural type issues, making sure that everybody knows what is going on. He thought
a lot of problems were solved that evening. He said their feeling is that there is nothing wrong
with the hearing process as it is, and he asked why they want to change it when it works as well as
it does. He asked what they, as residents of the City, would be gaining by changing the de novo
hearing process. He thought that implementing some of the suggestions made that night would help
remedy some of the frustrations that exist, and he said they do not want to get into the middle of
this from one part of City government to another. He added that far from controlling decisions they
try to provide information as they understand it from the citizens' standpoint--then.they stand back
and wait for the Council's.decisions. Councilmember Gould noted that one of the things the Planning
Board said was that they need some staff help in order to do the research type of things, and he
thought some money should be put into the 1983 budget in the Planning Department to do the research
work the Council is asking them to do. He thought that with $10,000 they could hire part-time
consultants to do some of that work, and he noted that it would also provide some jobs while answering
a need of closing the gap and solving the problem.
Regarding the de novo question, Natalie Shippen said the question is why should that procedure be
changed. She.said one suggestion was that.people deliberately go to the Council, bypassing the
Planning Board, because they know the Planning Board is only advisory. She thought that actually it
is because people do not know the proper procedure and that in actuality they are not doing it
deliberately. Regarding new evidence 'going to the City Council, she referred to one letter the ECCC
wrote to,the Council regarding the parking problem. She said that really was not new evidence --it
had been given orally to the Planning Board and in written form to the Council. She said that
letter, when it went to the Council, had a critical examination of the way the Planning Board had
made up the in -lieu fund --the Planning Board never had an opportunity to address that issue as it
was taken up after the public hearing was held. She said the play of ideas is so involved that it
is haphazard that new ideas go to the Council after a meeting, but she asked if that is new evidence.
She noted the. recommendation that they go to findings of fact._but.she said they are simply long
lists of the obvious.an.d.they..do not lead to any conclusioh.' As an example, she read one from the
Woodway°High School rezone. proposal --she said the staff had recommended that Woodway High School be
.zoned in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan, whereas the Planning Board wanted it to be Open
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October 12, 1982 - continued •
Space. Then she read the conclusion, which after pointing out what the zoning was and how the
proposal was consistent with the Comprehensive Plan, said that by zoning it Open Space would make it
more consistent with the Comprehensive Plan, which she found amusing, and she said she thought the
minutes are the best because that is where all the arguments are made. She did not think there was
any real change in what has occurred in Edmonds that necessitates -any procedural change such as is
being considered .
Milton Hassel said a related issue is the lack of communication to the citizens of the entire
Edmonds community. He said this is a community of 30,000 population and he had yet to see anything
reported in the newspapers as to what the Planning Board does in their meetings, and he takes three
newspapers. He said the majority of the people in Edmonds never know what the Planning Board is
going to do, and the previous night for the first time he saw the small agenda of the Planning Board
meeting. He thought one of the reasons the ECCC had gathered together as a group and had come to
the City Council meetings is because that is the only place where the views of the Council and the
ECCC can be aired to the public. He felt communication regarding Council meetings had improved a
great deal and he noted that there is much more in the newspaper about what the Council is doing.
He comes from a community where radio, TV,.and newspapers cover everything going on. in City.Govern-
ment, and he wanted to see more of that here. He said he never reads anything about the School
Board or the Port Commission --or the Planning Board. He said the citizens should find out what the
public groups representing them are doing. He noted that since the Planning Board is an appointed
group there probably are citizens who would much prefer to appear before the City Council simply
because they are elected to represent the people, whereas the Planning Board is to do a specific job
and does not have.as its first concern the will of the people.
Lloyd Ostrom said communication was one of the prime topics that the ECCC spent time on when they
were organized. They talked about getting better publicity and he still thought that was something
that could be improved. He was sorry that the City newsletter did not work out to fill that need. •
With regard to the de novo hearing process, he thought to do away with that would put an impediment
between the citizens and their elected officials which is not necessary. He asked what could be
more efficient than a citizen talking to his public representative. He thought the more direct
communication with elected officials, the better, and he thought that.periodically there should be a
round -table discussion where the Council sits down someplace other than the Council Chambers and
lets the public go in and ask questions about how they are doing things and why they are doing them
that way. He thought a dialogue with the Council would be better.than a hearing. Councilmember.
Hall said her hope would be to have the retreats in the City and publicize them and have a part for
such dialogue, and she noted that the Council agendas have a place for audience participation. She
said she reads the Planning Board minutes and uses them in making her decisions. Mr. Ostrom stated
that the ECCC has in no way been bypassing the Planning Board and if they.read-the minutes they
would notice that sometimes the ECCC are the only ones in the .audience. Council.member Gould asked
him why the Planning Board alludes to them as being invisible, and Mr. Ostrom said one reason an
organization such as this is formed is that everybody does not want to go to the City meetings every
week, for lack of time or other reasons, and their organization of over 500 members has elected
their Board of Trustees who in turn have elected officers. He said it is as with the Council --if it
is said the ECCC members are invisible, by the same token it could be said the public of Edmonds is
invisible because they are not present behind the Council.
Ray Martin said he had not.been to the Planning Board meeting in several months, but he had been at
a number of meetings when Councilmember Hall was Chairman of the Planning Board, and at each of the
meetings there were others --one, two, or three --others from the ECCC.
Roger Hertrich agreed with Mr. Ostrom that there was no problem.. He said the Planning Board wanted
more people to -attend their meetings and wanted to use this as a club to enforce that. He noted
that there had been very few appeals from the Hearing Examiner decisions and it had been mentioned
that the reason the Hearing Examiner decisions do not go before the Council is because of the good
job he does. He said they are concerned about retaining the de novo.hearings because they need the •
ability to appear before the Council and get a last chance, and he said sometimes the issue becomes
bigger by the time it gets to the Council from the Planning'Board.. He said with the published
agenda, better advertising, and better minutes, they do not have a problem. He noted that a Planning
Board member asked how sensitive -they should be to the community, and that was how he interpreted
it --that you can go before that body and make your opinions known and you get no response, the
sensitivity is not there. He said they need the de novo process because they have to protect themselves
and that is the best way at present. Councilmember Hall responded that she thought it was comparing.
apples and oranges when the Hearing Examiner is.di:scussed.because that person is an attorney and in
a paid position. Further, he enjoys the comfort of taking the knowledge home and returning with his
decision and the findings of fact, and that cannot be likened to the Planning Board. She said as
time goes. on they might look at their system and see how.it works out, but it seems to be doing the
job now. Mr. .Martin said when -the Hearing Examiner concept was developed and it was time to appoint
an individual the Council took.a great amount of time and effort'to see that they got the person
best qualified for that position, and they did a good job.
Betty Mathay said she had.attended the Planning Board meetings during the Highway 99 Study and had
felt intimidated, more by the consultant than the Board, so she had not spoken. She complained that
the material had not been available to the public early enough to study it and research it, and she
needed to study it before discussing it. Sh.e.felt.those.hearings were too fast because it takes
time to take.the material back to the people she represented for.their discussion and input.
Councilmember Gould said he was thinking about the retreat idea, the same as Councilmember Hall. He
noted that they had been held at various places and he would see possibly one citizen attend, or
none at all. He said they usually have one of the workshops for long-range planning and goal setting
and they could have a forum to consider the goals•of the ECCC.
Councilmember Naughten commented that.City Council meetings are not always very exciting and he
thought it was _great anytime people want to spend some time.attending them to see what is going on
in City government, and he noted that the ECCC had contributed.a lot to the Community Development
Code. He thanked the group for spending all the time that they do. •
• October 12, 1982 - conti.nued
Councilmerr:er fall asked the: cost of. put:lis! n1,, -he Olaniling Board agenda in 'the newspaper, aid
Planning Director Mary. Lou Bl oci; responded -drat at the si za it is it will he $,60 a 1*ec:-ntl1, ands t!rat
the discussion had been to allow �?53 a moil i!a. Councilmember Nordquist asked if i t is pui:l i shEd in
both the newsstand edition and the iorr;e delivered edi ti cn, and iwas determined the it. -i s .
Councilmember K'asp(:.r snit', it seer,led to him that the E C;CC has la.rgelyr tried to he troad can 1-he issues,
and one t!?at both,'red hlin is .tilt: -7act -that -i:i3:y are charging Mile Planning,) Boar -,.'with not ristEn-ing.
He asked � by -they thought- that; and was it- because they do not agree with the ECCC. errs. Shippers
said sire ttilough. `.-hay are not sure of treir roles, t1hemselves, and brat the Planning Comrr.ission has
always ---every when she was on it: --had an ambivalent feeling, asking "arr, I objective and do not have
to listen tc what people say or do I listen to what pnple say?" She said there is some dcubt err
their part as to how important it is when people speak to -them. She said she likes their format as
there is a lot of give and take and it is very info•rmai. She noted that -they do not often agree
with what she has to say but..she has plenty of opportunity to say it. She said there is also the
question of confidence and credibility, and they speak to the most complicated problems in -the City,
and people do not agree on the issues. She noted that; when they ask the Council to acce"pt their
motion on an issue sometimes the vote on it is split, so she did not think they could expect people
to take their motion as it is on that basis. Councilmember Kasper said the Planning Board gets
input and studies it and rnakesrecommendations, and then he is expected to slake a quick decision and
he would rather abstain than imal-e the decision quickly, and that is wily lie sometimes wants to delay
it or send it back, to them, because he thinks sudden decisions should not he made. He said one of
* the values of having the hearings de novo is that the Council is the end of it unless it is appealed,
and that is one of the differences in the Hearing Examiner actions --they go to the Council on appeal
and in the other case the Council is hearing everything again. He thought possi')1 they should
start making decision:, on what cones from the Planning Board, and Baran possibly the information
• would increase at the Planning board level. Mr. Martin ;ul79esied that if the,, were interested in
making the Planning Board more effi.ctive they might- consider that when they interview for the two
vacancies and rasi; some questions about the candidate's Sensitivity to public input and start molding
the person into the Board that the Council wants. He also suggested having an advisory member from
the Council serve as a liaison between the Council and the Board. Councilmember Kasper stated that
they used to have such an ex officio member to the Board but it was stopped because of the legal
aspect and conflict of interest. However, he noted that there recently.was a change in the law so
that may be a. ccns�ideratior. COUNCILME"-'DER GC+'LD MOVED, SECONDEDPY CCUi�CIi_IEMBI:R _N!0 DQiIIST, TO
PLACE ON THE NOVEF�CL" ', i9"? ��!?EP�D,"-. All ITEM! TO C,C SiUE AMEMr1M,ENTS TO THE OR*D1NA'iiCE ESsAELISHIi\ir
THE PLANNING BOARD, AND CHANGING THE INTERVIEWS OF THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR VACANT POSITIONS TO
NOVEM"CR 9, 19102. He said w 1a t ni g! t be cone! i s to clarify ari f �i i n 1.!te ordinance the pur; �?se of the
Planning Board and that will give them a sense of direction. Also, he said the make.-ur, of the
board --the number of members and the geographical distribution should be considered. Councilmember
Hall said whether C,ora.on Rosier 'is appointed or not has nothing tc do with philosophy, and his area
needs representation. `:he.said possiLh, the�� should invite ether citizen groups, and Councilmen'-er
Kasper noted that they had not heard from the Chamber or.Edmonds. Business Association or from the
Ballinger or Meadowdaie areas. He. thought- they could take the balance of the year to rake the
amendrrF1nts and fill the vacancies as they must; start working on the budget. Councilmember Hull
thou�iht t l,,ey should act on the two individuals nor„i nateu and -hen work on the aaendm.ents , but Ccuci l member
Gould thought the "rules of the gave" should be established :first. He said -there has been cppor,tuni ty
for anyLody or any or(jani zat i on tc hear what was said bet►:een the Council and the Planning Board and
at this rneeti r;g, both he'i ng advertised r:reetings, and lie observed that it can be put on the agenda
and anyone who wE.nts to tail, to lChe Council can do so.. I e said he liked Mr. Martin's icea, and he
agreed that: -there is some confusion as. to how the Council sees the Planning Board's vole and how
they see: it, and there is some question tetk'eEn the tr%:o bodies as to the function and the role. Ile .
sa i r, there cal so seer. -is to be sor:;e confusion as to how much attest er; should be paid to the will of
the people and how that r• 1 ates to the Coda in black and white. He felt the rotes of the people
could be worked into what is the object of the Planning Board. He said his.motion intended that
• each Cot,;ncilmember will have sortie ii deas. Counci lme,,iiber Kasper . sa.i d his responsibility is to keep
the ,rendas from Jamming and t ey. a'reajy �nerL, ; am:�2d. THE, MOTION' CARRIED, WITH COUNCIUMEMBERS .HALL
AND KASPER Vr;T*��r.. � � .,c,� ,s, .. .�:�. I.�. 4 r�,. .._ was a:lnou:lcea.
DISCUSSION ^V INDuSTRIF,L REVE"JUE BCINIDS
City Atterney 14a.yne Tanaka ndti�d that zorrEst Walls was still {present and his 'law 'firm is involved
in drafting the legislature: tr;at involves this, so he was willing -to answer any questions that he
could. Councilmember Kasper said his question to the County was why Edmonds should join in or do
anything at this time, an ".a,y;or Harrison noted -�-rai.I-dreonds really does not have an industr�ia.l area
to devell-p, whereas the Couirty does have a great need,.and ra-tl.zr than sit on. -the sideline he thought
Edmonds should join time Couirty. Forrest Walls stated_that.the Industrial Development Bond Act does
not allow financing for commercial facilities such as stores and restaurants, so there probably
would not be a lot of use for such.an act in Edmonds, but if Edmonds wants to proceed with financing
here than would be notlii ng to preclude the City from forming an industrial corporat-i oar. He did not
know entirely vt;)at the County's plan was, and if Edmonds did Not forma corporation and they did
that .1woul d nrobabl v make th�a ;r t] - first available : method of financing i f some financing project did
arise. He did not know ,heat they" were asking of Edmonds, and he was told the request was for
"participation of ; our mur;i ci prt1 i ty.'' was asked whera the City woul d. benefi t and what it would
cost the Ci and. Mr. Tar. ;a said i,�; argu:ment would be tl-at icy Joining in this area -wide coreorati on
it would create a Chanco -:o a.ttra.ct sore= industry to, t ie area and promote the area in general --not
speci . , cal i v Edr9or..dc1— • nd tene-Fit the County, and therefore the City. lie said if a companv _wanted
to locate in Edmonds and wl shoo' to ta!:e3 advantage o the provisions of this act a public' r_orperati on
could he ferrr,ed very quickly and the process started for. issuance of these development bonds and
there would be no advantage from being a part or an alreadypublic corporation. He said'as far as
timing, etc., there is no disadvantage to forming the corporation then, as opposed to having one in
place and functioning. He.said there would be no real. cost to the.C.1tv.except'to.serve on. the Board
of Directors. Counci ir"emb•er ;;aul d not-ed that the nature of. revenue_. bonds i s that the State or
municipality is never liable to pay off the bond. Councilmember Jaech noted that some of the things
• listed were solid waste, acquisition of land, sewage treatment, and waste disposal, which might
*See amendment, October 19, 1982
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October 12, 1982 - continued •
relate to Edmonds, and she asked if it was private industry only. Mr. Tanaka responded that it is
for private industry but municipalities have bonds that they can issue themselves. Mr. Walls said
the whole 'idea is to allow private industry to finance certain defined things on a tax exempt basis,
and the City already has that opportunity. Councilmember Jaech asked about private industry's
building such an entity and the City's leasing it, and Mr. Tanaka.said it is available if you can
attract somebody to do that. Councilmember Gould observed that the County might want to go forward
with solid4waste disposal and energy generation, and Edmonds could benefit from that. Mayor Harrison
asked if the County corporation would be.strengthened by having as many municipalities as possible
involved, and Mr. Walls said it would. Councilmember Kasper said Everett is forming one, as is the
Port of Everett, and now the County, and with this you would have a concentric thing. Councilmember
Gould said he had a hard time deciding whether it is a benefit to the City to join with the County,
but he could not identify much risk. Mr. Tanaka said the corporation is just a vehicle to sell the
bonds --it is an adjunct to the project --and they can get the money at a lower cost than on the open
market and may make a project feasible.. He thought as many corporations could`be formed as wanted
for various projects, but he wondered if the City cooperated with Snohomish County if that forecloses
the City from.promoting its own project in Edmonds of a different sort, and he said he would want to
research that. Council President Kasper said they would continue this discussion to the November 9,
1982 work meeting.
DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL LIVING UNITS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES (GRANDMOTHER APARTMENTS
Councilmember Nordquist thought this should be referred to the Planning Board, and Councilmember
Kasper suggested that they be asked to explore it because it is of.interest to the Council. Council -
member Gould was interested in it and said he would like to hear the alternatives and various ideas
and controls. Councilmember Hall observed that it is happening in Edmonds anyway, and she thought.
the City should face up to it. COUNCILMEMBER NORDQUIST MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBc.RI�HALL,10 •
REFER THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RESEARCH AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, AND THAT THEY
BE PROVIDED THE MAYOR'S AUGUST.30, 1982 MEMO ADDRESSED TO THEM ON THIS SUBJECT, THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
PROVIDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HALL, AUD THE ARTICLE HE PROVIDED FROM THE REAL ESTATE MAGAZINE. MOTION
CARRIED.
COUNCIL
Councilmember Nordquist again asked for the RMA study on Highway 99. Council President Kasper said
he would see that it is available for next week's Public Works/Engineering Committee meeting.
Councilmember Naughten distributed the Medic 7 budget for next year and discussed it, suggesting it
be kept for the budget discussions.
Councilmember Naughten asked why the library dedication had been changed to October 31 which is
Halloween, and he was told that -Senator Jackson could not attend on October 24.
Councilmember Naughten noted that Woodway'High School was one of the places recommended for using
the additional playfield lights, and he said he had always thought that would be a good place to
have a lighted playfield. He also noted that it had been stated at the Planning Board hearing on
the subject that this had not been looked into very closely and that there might be some problems
from the neighbors, and he asked why. Parks and Recreation Director Steve Simpson said the problem
they are talking about is the access by the gate which has been the object of controversy. He said
they were only -bringing up ideas and would be looking into the Woodway High School site more closely.
He said they also had been looking at Meadowdale which could have more fields lighted and less
controversy but it was all in the staff study stage at this time. Councilmember Jaech asked if the
City could control certain playfields if it put its lights on them, and Mr. Simpson said if the City
puts its lights on any playfield it would get control of the playfield in the agreement.
Councilmember Hall said she had attended the Friends of the Library party and there were problems •
with the kitchen. She said the windows in the kitchen would not open and it was very hot in there,
the fire extinguisher is in an odd location, a larger refrigerator is needed, a counter is needed
for serving, one of the outside stairs does not drain and collects water which will freeze in the
wintertime, and the outdoor stairwells are not well lighted. Councilmember Gould said 'a better
equipped kitchen is needed if they expect people to rent the facility. Councilmember Kasper noted
that there are no.lavatory facilities on the upper floor, and Mayor Harrison said he had gone out on
the deck and the door locked. The architect has been advised of the problems.
Councilmember Hall had attended the AWC mini -convention and noted that several items were discussed
which will be going before the legislature. She enumerated them and said it was a very informative.
session. She noted that she had gotten an inquiry about the Edmonds beautification to which she
will be responding by sending written information.
City Attorney Wayne Tanaka said there was a problem with LID 209 in that the bids came in considerably
higher than.estimated by the Engineer --more than 25% higher --and although there is no legal require-
ment to have another preliminary assessment role hearing it has been a practice that another hearing
is held if they are more than 25%.over the Engineer's estimate. He said there are only 30 days in
which to accept the bids already made and in order to meet that time period he was asking to have a
hearing on November 1_, which is the only time it could be held because of the 15 days' notice require-
ment. He said Assistant City Engineer Pat Wilson does not think a rebid will result in lower
prices. A further complication is that the Mausers and the Willisons have had some sort of falling
out about how they will handle the costs. �Mr. Tanaka thought the City should make sure everything
is aboveboard before going to contract. COUNCILMEMBER JAECH MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HALL,
TO PASS RESOLUTION 534, SETTING A NEW HEARING DATE OF NOVEMBER 1, 1982 ON THE PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT
ROLL FOR LID 209. MOTION CARRIED.
Councilmember Gould said he would like to see Finance Director Art Housler recognized for his comprehensive
annual finance report which had been commended by the the Municipal Finance Officers Association,
and he expressed thanks to Mr. Housler and his staff. 0
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Councilmember Jaech suggested sending to MIST O reaffirmation of the City's position -regarding the
possibility of a.bus :.yarn in the Ballinger area. Councilmember Nordquist had met with a meriber of
the Ballinger action group who r:as to meet with their attorney and then go to METRO, and he suggested
that.the Council not take any action until he gets a report back.
Councilmember Jaech asked the City Attorney what he had determined regarding the Mayor's offer to
purchase the property on 76th on which no bids ;ad been received. Mr. Tanaka responded that it is
an area that is unclear and he had recommended to the Mayor, and the Mayor had concurred, that a
legislator not from this area will'be asked to request from the Attorney General an official opinion
on this. That way it would be from a neutral source and.whatever he comes up with will be a guidance
for the future for any elected official. Councilmember Nordquist said he had contacted both First
Serve and Southland Corporation and neither was aware that the property was for sale and both
indicated some interest. He noted that the property had been purchased with UAB funds and asked if
they will have to repay UAB. Councilmember Kasper said all of those were odd parcels that the State
was giving away to the cities when the freeway was constructed.
Council ?resident Kasper had a letter from the Sno-Isle Regional Library thanking the City staff for
accomplishing the move from the of J to the new library.
Council President Kasper urged getting the budget sessions started as soon as possible and lie said
he was still holing to go through it the way they had in:the past. It was agreed to move from
October 26 to November 9 the discussion on reconsideration of the downtown business area parking
formula and the discussion on PRD extensions in order to have a budget discussion on October 26.
Mayor Harrison stated that the Elm Club was shown the Public Works offices and is interested in
• renting them. He said the figure quoted was $6 per square foot. Councilmember.Naughten said he had
told.the SNOCOM Board the decision must be made by February. Mayor Harrison asked if he could get
an earlier decision, by.December. Councilmember Nordquist noted that an alcoholism rehabilitation
.center had rented space in the old Lynnwood Furniture store and that may be a good location for the
Elm Club.
Mayor Harrison called attention to a letter from Mrs. Gunnard Swanson and asked that the Council
consider it.
Councilmember Hall noted that the Council will not be moving to the new building until November
because the furniture had not arrived.
There was no further business to come before the Council, and the meeting adjourned at 10:45 p.m.
IRENE VARNEY MORAL,, City Clerk HARVE H. HARRISON, Mayor
October 19, 1982
The regular meeting of 'the Edmonds City
Council was called to order at 7:30 p.m.' by Mayor Harve
Harrison in the Council Chambers of the
Edmonns Civic Center. All joined in the flag salute.
PRESENT ABSENT
STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison, [4ayor Katherine
Allen Jim Adams, City Engineer
John Nordquist
Pat Wilson, Asst. Cite Engineer
Bill Kasper
Irene VarneMoran, City Clerk
Laura Hall
Mary. Lou Block, Planning Director
Jo -Anne Jaech
Marlo Foster, Police Chief
Ray Gould
Jack W.einz, Fire Chief
Larry I1aughten
Pat LeMay, Personnel Director
Tambi Shaw, Student Rep.
Steve Simpson, Parks « Recreation Dir.
Jim Jessel, Property Manager
Wayne Tanaka, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk.
CONSENT AGENDA
Items (E; and (F) were removed from the
Consent Agenda. COUNCILMEMBER .N.AUCHTEN MOVED, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMEMBER NORDQUIST, TO APPROVE THE
BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION CARRIED. Tine arfroved
items on the Consent Agenda -included the
(A) Rcll call.
following:
(B) Approval of Minutes of October
12,•1982, with an amendment on page 6, the twentieth line,
changing "de novo"to "on the
record" in the statement.made by Councilmember Kasper.
(C) Authorization to call for bids
on November 10, 1982 on signs for Anderson Center.
(D) Authorization to call for bids
on November 8, 1982 on Civic Center Remodel.
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AUTHORIZATION TO AWARD CONTRACT TO RMA FOR PREPARATION OF SECONDARY TREATMENT WAIVER [Item (E) on
Consent Agenda]