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Councilmember Hall had attended the Meadowdale Sewer Project groundbreaking, and she said some of
the people who live there are very excited to see the project getting started.
Engineering Aide Gordie Hyde, the United Way Loaned Executive for the City of Edmonds, reported that
the total of contributions to -date was $3,618, a 64% increase over last year. The breakfast netted
$300. He gave other details of the report and he recognized 13 employees who gave one hour's pay
per month. Councilmember Gould, who .is the South County Chairman, said one of the reasons for the
big success in the City of Edmonds employees, as well as the community, is people like Gordie Hyde.
Councilmember Nordquist reported thathe had met with Mayor Hrdlicka and Dave Caldwell to take a
tour of their computer system, and he said it is well worth looking at and they have invited all of
the Council to l.00k..at it. He went on to describe the system and some of the things it accomplishes.
Councilmember Kasper noted that the law regarding campaign signs has been changed to extend from
300' to 600' the distance from a polling place in which campaign signs are prohibited. He said a
candidate can be -disqualified at that polling place if his sign is within the restricted area.
There was Ino further business to come before the Council in the formal meeting. AT 8:15 P.M.
COUNCILMEMBER NORDQUIST MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER JAECH, TO CLOSE THE MEETING SO THE CLERK
COULD BE EXCUSED. MOTION CARRIED. A Budget Work Session then followed, as well as an Executive
Session to discuss Public Works labor negotiations.
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IRENE VARNEY MORAN, ity Clerk HARVE H. HARRISON, Mayor
November 15, 1983
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:35. p.m. by.Mayor Pro tem
Jo -Anne Jaech in the Plaza Meeting Room of the Edmonds Library. A1.1 present joined in the flag.
salute.
PRESENT ABSENT STAFF PRESENT
Jo -Anne Jaech Harv.e Harrison, Mayor Jim Adams, City Engineer
John Nordquist Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
Larry Naughten Art Housler, Finance Director
Bill Kasper Jack Weinz, Fire Chief
Laura Hall Dan Prinz, Asst. Police Chief
Ray Gould Bobby Mills, Acting Public Works Supt.
Katherine Allen Mary Lou Block, Planning Director
Wendy Wahl, Student Rep. Steve Simpson, Parks & Recreation Dir.
Pat LeMay, Personnel Director
Jim Jessel., Property Manager
Wayne Tanaka, City Attorney
Mark Eames, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
AUDIENCE
Dan Rice, representing the Edmonds..Busi.ness.Association, requested financial help for their Christ-
mas promotion. They had anticipated raising enough funds at the Taste of Edmonds to support the
Christmas activities, but although the Taste of Edmonds was successful in promoting Edmonds it was.
not financially successful. Mr. Rice said the City of Edmonds had contributed $800 last year and he
hoped it would do the same this year, and he invited a,representative.of the Council to attend the
next meeting of the Edmonds Business -Association on the morning of.November 18 at which time he.also
hoped the City's.contribution would be presented. He did not as yet have a budget for the activities
but one of the major items wil.l.be the boughs for .the Christmas tree. After a brief discussion,
COUNCILMEMBER NAUGHTEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER GOULD, TO CONTRIBUTE $800 AGAIN THIS YEAR TO
THE EDMONDS BUSINESS ASSOCIATION FOR CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS, FUNDS TO COME FROM THE COUNCIL CONTINGENCY
FUND. MOTION CARRIED.
Rita Olson, 21915 92nd W., just outside of the Edmonds City Limits:, asked for approval to hook up to
the Olympic View sewer system because of a septic tank problem. She had sent a letter,to the Mayor
with this request last week. She said she has a health problem that has to be solved.. City Engineer
Jim Adams said .this property is included in the area to, be.addressed this evening under an annexation
petition and if she were to hook up now she would have to pay -an assessment to Olympic View (she
said it would be $805)..and if there later is an LID there when. the.property is annexedshe may. have
to pay again. City Attorney Wayne Tanaka stated that an agreement may be reached with.these proper-
ty owners to assure their participation.in the annexation and in any. future LIDs but without double
charges to them,.and.he asked for an opportunity to pursue this and return with a recommendation.
He said there is a_problem of equity in that it is not known how many other people may be experi-
encing similar problems,.and if one septic system fails it is not unreasonable.to suppose others in
the immediate area may experience similar problems. He said to exclude them entirely from an LID
would result in.others paying a higher cost, but an agreement may be worked out to allow them.to
hook up now and give them credit towards a future LID. Councilmember Allen wanted immediate action
if there is such a serious health problem., and Mr. Adams recommended that they be allowed to connect
and pay the assessment to Olympic View and then deduct the assessment they pay from any assessment
that might be due on their property at the time there is an LID and that they be required.to hook up
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to the Edmonds system when it is put in. Counci.lmember Allen asked that his recommendation
be considered next week along with any,other. that there may be. She wanted to be sure the
matter is considered next week in light of time fact that the following week's meeting has been
canceled.
CONSENT AGENDA
COUNCILMEMBER NAUGHTEN MOVED,, SECONDJED
'dY COJ1NQILM1EN6ER.
lJLL, TO APPROVE THE QtlisEu fiGEiDFk.
MOTION CARRIED. The approved items on
the Consent
Agenda includeu the following:.
(A) Roll call.
(B) Approval of Minutes of November
7, 1983.
(C) Acknowledgment of receipt of
Claims for
Damages from Mrs. Warren Carpenter in the
amount of $14.98 and.frorr, Mrs.
Steven 6.
Stevens in the amount of $69.99.
(D) Set date of December. 6, 1983.for
80th Ave. W. (P-8-83JEdrnonds
hearing
Development
on 10-lot preliminary subdivision at 18123
Company)
MEETIidG WITH PETITIONERS FOR PROPOSED .ANNEXATION
OF
AREA EAST OF 92ND AVE. I,., .BET6-lEEN
218TH S.W. AND 220TH S.W.
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A 10% annexation petition had been received for the subject area. A vicinity map of the area
was displayed and it was noted that it included an area which previously had petitioned but; was
denied. The petitioners had been told to get more signatures and come in with an area with
cleaner lines and more contiguous,to Edmonds. Planning Director i4ary Lou Block noted that
there will be no zoning hearing required on this because this area was included recently in a
• preannexation.zoning hearing. She said the proposed annexation area poses no significant
service problems for utilities or streets. Councilrilember Gould noted that there is,a low area
which tends to pond in the wintertime in this area and he asked if that was a contributing
factor, to the septic tank proble,ii in the area. Ms..Block responded that basically in her
statement: she was addressing the fact that there is sewage capability. City Engineer Jim Adams
said they probably should require that an LID be signed as part ol` the requirements for the.
annexation. There was concern.that properties to the west which may annex later would not have
to pay for the sewer line, but`he said the policy is that anyone who hooks up later will pay
the same charges as those who are a part of the original LID.
Tom Yesberger, 8846 218th S.W.,.,. was interested.in the cost of sewers and how it will affect
each property owner. Mr. Adams said there is an initial total cost estimate.of a little over
$330,000 but he had no idea yet as to how that assessment will be prorated. This would be
totally a gravity sewer system.
Kirk Black, 17503 72nd Ave. W., said he had. been present for the previous annexation which was
denied and they had been told to.get more signatures. He said there are still some questions
to be answered but he would like the 10% petition approved. Fie noted that there are several
health problems in the whole area and although they do not have the 75% of signatures yet they
will have to_get I. i,ir. Tanaka explained the general annexation procedure. COUNCILME14BER
GOULD THEN MOVED, SECONDED.BY COL'NCILMIEMDER HALL, THAT THIE PROPOSED ANPIEAATICiJ BE ACCEPTED;
THAT ALL PROPERTY WITFIIN THE TERRITORY HEREBY SOUGHT TO BE ANir°EXED SHALL BE ASSESSED AND TAXED
AT THE SAfIE RATE AND ON THE SAirE DAS.IS AS PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OF EDMONDS FOR ANY NOW
OUTSTANDING I14DEBTEDNESS OF SAID`CITY, INCLUDING ASSESSMEivTS OR. "FAXES IN PAYMENT OF ANY BONDS
ISSUED OR.DEBTS CONTRACTED, PRIOR TO OR EXISTING AT THE DATE Of" ANNEXATION; AND, THAT SIMULTANEOUS
ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ZONING REGULATIONS BE REQUIRED. MOTION CARRIED.
IrEARING (CONTINUED FROM OCTOBER 18,) Oiv APPEAL FROM ADB. DENIAL OF EXISTING SIGN AT RODINHOOD
• LANES,, 9801 EDMONDS WAY CAPPELLANT: GUENTHER)
This item was heard on.October 18, 1983 and was continued until more information was obtained
by the City Attorney. P1a.nning Director Mary Lou Block reviewed the application.. The ADB had
denied approval of the existing freestanding sign because it substantially exceeds the area and
height requirements of the Community Development Code. The applicant -,had also asked for approval
of a new 24 sq. ft. sign face to be placed on an existing hole and frame, but the ADS denied
that because it would increase the discrepancy between the existing sign area and the maximum
permitted sign area. Tile two actions of the ADB were appealed by the applicant. The City
Council Feld a public hearing to hear the appeal and then they continued it until this date to
get a legal opinion on some issues that were raised. City Attorney i+lark Eames said the concern
had been whether compensation would be required when the City requires removal of a nonconforming
sign. The signs that fall under, the State.statute are any sign that can be viewed from and
read from a State highway. The City is not required to pay compensation to the :Sian owners
when those signs are removed in compliance with the City's ordinance if the signs are not
visible from a State highway (SR 99, SR 104, or SR 524 in Edmonds). And whenever a City requires
the discontinuation of a nonconforming use the court looks to see if it is being done in a
reasonable manner, e.g., if there is hardship to the party. A specific section of the State
statute requires -chat cities pay compensation if they require removal but i-t does not apply to
signs in existence.:on.,,the.efrecti.ve,_date of.'the..legislation, September 21, 1977. Compensation
would have to.be paid to signs erected after that. The City of Edmonds addressed the compensation
question with the provision of amortization over a five-year period. The question is whether
that is just compensation for -the removal of the sign and there.are no cases which answer' that
question. In this case the sign was erected prior to 1977 and the question is whether there
was an ordinance on the books at.the time which required its removal in 1977. As to the City
of Bellevue's ordinance which had been referred to during the hearing, Mr. Eames talked to the
City!.A.ttorney who handles the ir'sign code questions and was informed that there has been no
litigation concerning that ordinance. The Bellevue ordinance contains an amortization provision
similar to that in the Edmonds ordinance and, like Edmonds, the initial amortization period has
just about expired. When it does, they will be faced with the same issues Edmonds is faced
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within the anticipated enforcement actions.. Mr. Eames added that.RCW 47.42.104.refers to the
federal share of -compensation paid.:for removal of signs and the federal statute.referred to in
that.sect.ion provides that the federal"government will contribute 75% of any compensation paid
to the sign owner or the owner of the underlying property. Mr: Eames .is making inquiry to
determine if any monies are actually available for such compensation. Mr. Eames said.the
ordinances that were in place in 1977 involved the zoning of the particular area and he believed
this one was zoned BN at that time. His recollection was that the Sign,Code did not require
immediate removal.of.those signs,.so he thought the compensation requirement would probably
apply. The hearing was reopened.
Walt Ovens with Tube Art Displays,.the actual owner of.the sign, had a copy of the original
permit issued.April 14,`1960:and.he said it does not have a zone notation on it. He thought
that any rulings that had come out had indicated "visible" but not necessarily "read" from a
State highway. He said the City of Bellevue is in the same situation as Edmonds is regarding
its signs.
Celia Anderson of the Business..Advertising Council of Washington.said she is aware.of one.state
where there was a lawsuit relating to.. a drive-in race track where compensation had been determined
to be amortization and the race track sued and won at a cost of several. million dollars to the
community. She did not think Edmonds should rely on the amortization.provision and she said
that is what the.legistators were attempting to correct when they passed the new language. She
added that there was some misunderstanding of her previous testimony in'that she was not testifying
that Bellevue had tested. this in the courts, only that.they had come to the.end of their amortization
period and were. experiencing what Edmonds now is experiencing and the businesses responded .with
"let's talk compensation," and the City of Bellevue backed off to evaluate where they are. No
one else wished to speak, and the hearing was closed.
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COUNCILMEMBER ALLEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER GOULD, TO UPHOLD THE ADB DENIAL OF ADB-66-
83. Councilmember Gould stated that part of his thinking in supporting the motion is that the
si;nage that exists is so grossly over.the.standards that the City has, and either Edmonds is
goi^g to have a code that gives the City.a certain appearance and there are some standards that
have to he met, or it is not; and he supports the ADB's deliberation and the regulations the
City has for that; and the a.mortizat;on period will be the compensation. THE MOTION CARRIED.
HEARING (CONTINUED FROM NOVEMBER 1) ON PROPOSAL TO HAVE SIGN VARIANCES HEARD BY ADB
AND APPEALS BY HEARING EXAMINER.
Planning Director Mary Lou Block.stated that the City Council.originally voted, on September
19, 1983, to relieve the ADB of the authority to grant Sign Code exceptions, but on October 4,
1983 the Council scheduled a public hearing on a proposal that only appeals to ADB decisions on
Sign Code items would be heard by the Hearing Examiner. She said the major difficulty encountered
by the ADB in considering Sign Code exceptions is the lack of criteria with which to review the
requests, and with the establishment of special criteria the ADB would have the necessary basis
on which to make findings and a decision. Then, if the.decision were appealed to the Hearing
Examiner., he .could determine whether t{ie.criteria had been properly addressed and could take
action accordingly. She recommended that the ADB retain the authority to consider all aspects
of a sign request and act on exceptions to the Sign Code, based on specific criteria. It is
the staff's feeling that the various aspects of the sign all constitute parts of the design.
They believe the ADB and.the P1'anning Board should be involved in development of the necessary
criteria. Councilmember Gould suggested that the ADB and. Planning Board meet. together to make
the recommendations for the criteria. The hearing was opened.
Lloyd Ostrom, 711 Puget Lane, speaking for the Board of Trustees of the Edmonds Council of
Concerned Citizens, said that since the original formation of that group it has taken an interest
in the procedures by which issues are resolved, as well as the issues themselves. He said they •
supported with some reservations the change from the Board of Adjustment to the Hearing Examiner,
and.they have found that the Hearing Examiner system has workedvery well because the City
Council was careful to insure that a,really.qualified.person.was appointed to this position --a
person whose technical opinions are insulated from political pressure --and the result has been
that discussions have been satisfactoryand rulings have been satisfactory. 'They feel the
Hearing Examiner can understand the responsibility of granting variances which allow one
person to be relieved from requirements on others. He said Ahe Board of Trustees believes the
Council should accept the Planning Board's recommendation that Sign Code variances be heard by
the Hearing Examiner. Establishing criteria did not seem to him to be the answer to this
problem, and he thought the ADB would-be greatly relieved .not to have the responsibility of
moving on variances to the Sign Code because the pressure on them is too great in that they are
individuals who do business with the very people asking them for variances. He believes in the
use of citizen boards but he said this is a position that makes -it almost impossible for them
to perform that function properly.
Natalie Shippen, 1022 Euclid, said, regarding criteria, that she thought some of the reasons
they gave earlier for the basis of their decisions are now being addressed by the Planning
Board and will be incorporated into the Code so the criteria will be established, and if they
feel a design is so good, they can recommend approval of.a variance to the Hearing Examiner.
From a procedural point of view, she said the variance is relied on very heavily and the Planning
Board is discovering there is .more than one type of problem regarding signs, and since there
are different types of problems she thought it -would be wise to expand the remedies. She
thought if the amortization period were -re-established that would provide more flexibility, and
she also suggested the use of the Conditional Use Permit. She concluded that as long as
people have the choice to throw themselves on a public body to get a remedy they will not use
the existing remedies.
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Dick Beselin, 1100 12th 4, said he has bean in business for some years wherein he has had to
use sighs, and he said there is probably a variance for every type of sign for every type of
business. He said nothing is more difficult than tying a. landlord and having a sign code
within a building as well as the City's Sign Code, and it is Very difficult to establish v code
within the building, itself, and expect every business in the, building to conform, and he finds
himself always making exceptions, but there has to be latitude and consideration for the type
of business it is, and design and how pretty the sign is mean very little.to the person in
business --it is the purpose the sign is to serve that has to be given consideration.
Roger Hertrich, 1020 Puget AV., said the Sign Code dots a good job as it is and those exceptions
that are needed can be handled on a variance basis. He suggested they vote against the proposal
this evening and that there be a new proposal to have the variances heard by the Hearing Examiner.
Councilmember Jaech explained that the last action was to do.just that, but this evening the
Council was reconsidering that decision, but that actually is what they last voted to do. The
hearing was closed.
Councilmember Allen said she had asked for this hearing because she was a little unclear as to
the exact action: they had taken, but she thought the,action they took was the best thing do do
and the Hearing Examiner should hear all variances because he already hears the variances that
are requested for other things, and appeals could go to the City Council. She said the only
difference is that variance requests would go to the Hearing Examiner. She added that she had,
yet to hear a variance request that had .to do with.other than height or size ---never is it for
design. She did not believe the Hearing Examiner would ever have to be concerned with design.
She asked that the original action be upheld, that all variances go to the Hearing Examiner and
appeals to the Council. City Attorney Wayne Tanaka noted that there is no ordinance, yet to
accomplish that inasmuch as the Council took action to consider this again before the ordinance
was drafted. COUNCILMEM°ER NOR?QUIST MOVED, SECONDED F.Y `OUNCILMEMBER HALL, TO INSSUCT THE
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CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNCIL ACTION OF SEPTE"SER 19,
1983, REMOVING THE AUTHOPITY OF SIN CODE EXCEPTIONS FROM TYE ADS AMD GiVING IT TO THE HEARING:
EXAMINER. Councilmember Gould was opposed to that because he believes in participative government
in.this City and if there is a group of citizens that have the expertise as to signage he feels
they have the expertise to make the exceptions. He believed if criteria Were developed for the
application of the Sign.Code it would be a situation that the !',"B could manage effectively.
Councilmember Hall. agreed With his statement and said she had seconded the motion for discussion,
and she thought if this change were voted in they would be amending it. She felt there to be
mixed emotions on the A05 as to having this authority. Councilmember Kasper thought it should
stay with the ADS because taking it array from them would start the situation where they would
avoid variances it their design aspects and there would be no design options; they would just
conform to the Code, and it may not be the best design and there will not be any new creativity.
A ROLL CALL VOTE WAS TAKEN ON THE MOTION, WITH COUNCILMSMSERS NORDQUIST, JAECH, MAUGHTEN, AND
ALLEN VOTIMC YES, AND WITH COUMCILMEMBERS HALL, COULO, AND KASPER VOTING NO. NOTION CARRIED.
A recess was announced.
HEARING ON FEASIBILITY AN S CONCEPT OF COVERIMS YOST POOL
Parks and Recreation Director Steve Simpson noted that this issue began because of the needed
repairs to the pool. He said there are three ma cr questions to be answered regarding covering
the pool: (1) Is there a need and community support? (2) How to pay for it if covered?
(3) How will it look if covered? He noted that if it is covered that will only be the first
expense as operating costs are can of the ongoing expenses and more money goes into those than
into the capital improvements. He said a rule of thumb is 1/7 of the cost each year,for operation,
so he said design is critical. Mr. Simpson gave a slide presentation to demonstrate some of
the Fool covers on the market now. He also noted that the entire pool system needs to be
tested to determine the extent of therneeded repa.ir.s and such testing will cost approximately
Won He recommended spending the $800 to determine the repair costs which he said .will have
to be done unless the pool is closed. He said he could invite 50 3ignold to give a presentation
• on swimming pools. Mr. Bignold of O.P.3. had conducted a seminar.on pool renovations recently .
which yr. Simpson had attended. Councilmember Jaech had met a man who worked with the construction
company that constructed the pool and he had told her that the cavity beneath the pool had been
filled with cement so if cracks go all the way down it could be quite expensive to repair. Mr.
Simpson had provided a listing of different methods of covering the pool wench provided cost
ranges, and he did not recommend anything less than the Solar. Sun/Fun Structure on that listing
as to quality. He had discussed the pool with Dr. Reasby and .the school district property
manager as to the possibility of trading the pool and although they are interested in the pool
development, they probably are not interested to the degree as the city would be as they want
somethin, for training but not necessarily for recreation. They "ant to wait and sea w1at the
City decides t; do, and if the City decides not to cover it then they will discuss the possible
trade, but they do rot want to put a lot of money into it. The hearing was opened.
Bill Leraas, 21224 86th Y., representing a group of adult swimmers who, use the Mountlake Terrace
pool, said they would like t; use the Edmonds pool if it were ooeratinc. :He referred to the
O.R.3. report and discussed the various figures for each option. He favored covering the pool
because he likes to swim, and he said ever, if the facilities are shut don they would probably
still be paying cn the bonds which were sold to build the pool originally, and the casts involved
will be ongoing. He said it is only open three months per year for the costs involved. He
favored covering the pool and said his group would support it if put on the ballot.
Will Smith, 732 Bell, said this is the same proposal discussed a year ago when a private developer
was sought to do it. He said this pro osal ups t him very much: He used to live rear the pool
and he said the people in the surrounding neighborhood are not interested in having the park
developed into a health center and petitions had_been submitted to that effect. He recognized
that the emphasis in having)al.l the activities in one place made sense in terms of the operation
of the facility, but he said -this is a residential area nd this will be an intrusion on that
neighborhood and the City has a responsibility to the character of the neighborhood. He thought
this to be totally.ridiculous and he said the pool has certain amenities in being open which
will not be there if it is covered. Because of cost, he said the end product would probably be
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a basic type of construction, rather than one of the more glamorous designs shown, and parking
and vandalism will have to be considered. He felt such facilities should not be in residential
neighborhoods but instead should be in business areas. He suggested that if it cannot be
maintained it should be filled up and things could be planted over it.
Harry Bower, 9325 Bowdoin, 3/4 of'a block from the pool, said he enjoys the pool very.much and
it is an added amenity to the community. He had experienced no disturbances from users of the
pool. He said many of the community pools are in residential areas to serve that community,
and he named .some of them. He favored covering the pool and he said it would be nice to have
removable.roofs but it should be desi.gned for the environmental situation. He favored an.
architecturally designed, quality facility.
Roger Hertrich, 1020 Puget Dr., said he is from a swimming family and indorses swimming pools.
He felt it unfortunate that the pool was built at that location as any addition of other facilities
will increase parking requirements and trees would have to be cut to provide more parking. He
thought it should be covered and said it will cost the City some money for operational costs,
but he said it is not going to be a self-supporting facility, and he asked if they were prepared
to pay more money per year to keep the pool running and if .the citizens of Edmonds are prepared
to pay more taxes to keep the pool open. He thought it would be interesting to go for the
cheapest cover to see what the effect will be --to try it and see if it will be a good thing.
He proposed covering the pool but said if it were to be done over again he would put it on
north 76th where there is room for development. At Mountlake Terrace he had counted at.least
200 parking spaces, and he asked if Edmonds was willing to provide that many. The hearing was
closed.
Councilmember Hall stated that if the school district owned it Edmonds would be hostage to
their schedule and Edmonds' use of it would be limited. Mr. Simpson agreed but said he would
try to get as much time as possible. Councilmember Hall thought that with some creativity they •
could get parking in there, and. Mr. Simpson said nobody envisions clearcutting the park to
provide parking. He did not believe many of the trees would have to.go. Councilmember Hall
said with regard to vandalism that she saw a large air bubble as a great target. She thought
the cheapest cover may not necessarily end up being the cheapest. Mr. Simpson agreed that
inflatable and fabric structures are an attractive target. He thought the opportunity for
vandalism may be less for much of the park because it would be used more.
Councilmember Gould asked if the Performing Arts Center is meant to include recreational
facilities of a permanent nature, and Councilmember Hall responded that it is a possibility but
she really could not conjecture on it. Councilmember Gould thought a complete facility that
would sustain itself is needed, and to be self-sustaining there would .have to be more than just
swimming, but that may involve a $2,000,000 bond issue. He asked what size bond issue could be
paid -off with $10,000 per year. Finance Director Art Housler, after doing some.calculating,
said a 20-year bond issue at 8 1./2%, would have principle of $137,000 with a payment of $10,500.
Councilmember Naughten said there would not have to be more parking if it were just covered,
and he did not think they should get into•all the other things at that location. Councilmember
Gould's concern with a geodesic or inflatable cover was that it would create more maintenance.
Councilmember Naughten thought the pool should be used the year around and that a study is
needed regarding covering it in a first-class manner and then it should be put to a vote of the
public. COUNCILMEMBER NAUGHTEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER GOULD, TO ASK THE STAFF TO
PREPARE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, OR TELL WHAT IS NEEDED TO PREPARE A DESIGN FOR A PERMANENT
STRUCTURE POOL COVER, INCLUDING REPAIR OF THE UPPER DECK AND REDESIGN OF THE ENTRY, AND TO GIVE
SOME ESTIMATE OF THE REVENUE, PLUS ANY OTHER AREAS FROM WHICH REVENUE COULD BE DERIVED SUCH AS
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR INDICATE WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE, THE
REPORT TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL ON JANUARY 1.0, 1984. Councilmember Gould also asked for
a report on the state of the bonded indebtedness of the City. Mr. Housler said he thought that
to be approximately $7,000,000 on councilmanic bonds. THE MOTION CARRIED. COUNCILMEMBER
1AUGHTEN THEN MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER JAECH, THAT THE CITY.COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE •
EXPENDITURE OF .UP TO $1,000 FOR A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE POOL AND .THE REPAIRS
NEEDED ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, FUNDS`TO COME FROM THE ENGINEERING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES
FUND. MOTION CARRIED.
REVIEW OF REQUEST BY YOUTH CLUB OF EDMONDS-LYNNWOOD FOR REDUCED RENT ON SPACE AT
ANDERSON CENTER
A request hadbeen made for lease credit for the work that club members do to the City fields.
Parks and Recreation Director Steve Simpson indicated in a memo to the Council that most groups
that rent City athletic fields do some field maintenance to make the field suitable for their
kind of play. Further, that fields are rented as is and the field use fees paid are for the
reservation service, not for field maintenance. He noted that service in lieu of payment
requires accurate accounting of the hours spent in service, and a policy which grants credit to
one group providing a service should apply equally to all groups providing or offering similar
service. He said the Council has authorized, through the budget process, a level of maintenance
for athletic fields, and a credit should presumably result in an'equal offsetting of savings to
the Public Works Department. Finally, he noted that the policy must be acceptable to the State
auditor. Councilmember Naughten asked City Attorney Wayne Tanaka if defrayment of costs can be
given if they provide in -kind service,'and Mr. Tanaka said it can as long as the City gets
equal value. The request was: to.reduce the rent from $4,80.0 to $2,400 in recognition -of . the
service they provide, which includes dragging the fields, filling holes where they feel it is
needed, and lining the fields. 'Councilmember Gould asked what would be necessary in the way of
an..auditing.function so the State auditor would accept the action as there would have to be
something to show in -kind service. Mr. Tanaka said it would be in the City's best interest to
have some justification to show the and-itor, should the question arise. Councilmember Nordquist
suggested keeping $4,800 on the books but they would work off for credit $2,400 for service at
an hourly rate. Mr. Simpson noted that -the Roes' rluh is the only other group given an opportunity
to pay a debt by in=kind service, and that was for their utilities. He asked for direction as
to whether this can be applied to other groups making a similar request. Councilmember Hall
observed that it could be applied even so far as to the revenue on the room in which the •
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Council meets. Mr. Siipson stated that the 'Edmonds Softball Association ;toes quite a bit of
maintenance on their fields, and even hires someone to4o it, so he expected he would gee;, the
same requestfrom then:. Co:anci l member. Kasper ask about the responsibility to provide youth
recr eationa'i programs, and Mr. Tanaka responded th6t if the City determined to set up a certain
program and contracted to provide some of these programs instead of using City employees that
is one thing, but just because an organization is beneficial to the community at large is not
consideration for reduction in rent or, basically, spending of City monies. He said another
thing to be considered is the union contracts the City has concerning subcontracting of word:,
as this essentially would result in their getting paid for the work they are doing now, and
that could be a potential problem. Councilmember Allen said people from the juvenile Diversion .
Program have besn doing work for years and this had never come up before, but Councilmember
Hall argued that it had come up and some union members had taken to task the fact that some
juveniles do some of the maintenance work. Mr. Tanaka said that even with the Job Corps they
were very.careful to structure it in a way not to be offensive to the union, and he uniicn,
perhaps for political reasons, chose not to challenge on it. He said there were some precautions
and timing on what projects were brought to the Council first so as to avoid that sort of
problem with the unions.
Councilmember Hall sympathized -with the Youth Club, and she asked if tier` are other facilities
they could rent at less cost which would meet their needs. Mr. Simpson said there is a standard
price for the rooms that is charged to the tenants, and the Youth Club needs at least the
amount of space that they now have. A question was asked about the old Public Arks tuilding
which is only.half rented.. Acting -Public Works Superintendent Ecbby-Mills stated that he is
now working on the minimum requirements the City must perform on its fields to satisfy insurance
requirements. He had just received the criteria which must be met. He added that it is costing
the City over $800 a year to maintain two fields everyday. COUNCILMEMBER NAUGHTEN MOVED,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KASPER, THAT THE STAFF GET TOGETHER WITH THE YOUTH CLUB.AND REPORT TO
THE COUNCIL ON..DECEMBER 6, 1983 AS TO WHAT THE VALUE IS OF THE WORK THEY ARE DOING SO THE
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COUNCIL CAN GET AN IDEA OF HOW TO MEASURE THIS REQUEST FOR $2,400; AND THAT THEY SUGGEST HOW
THIS COULD BE STRUCTURED TO MEET ACCOUNTING REQUIREMENTS. MOTION CARRIED. Councilmember Hall
asked for a cost figure for an alternate facility in the City.
COUNCIL
COUNCILMEMBER GOULD MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER ALLEN, TO PLACE ON THE DECEMBER 13, 1983
AGENDA AN ITEM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMMITTEE HAD.DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, A REVIEW OF SECTION
18.40.030 OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE HAVING TO DO WITH GRADING PERMITS. MOTION CAPP.IED.
Regarding the budget, Councilmember Gould proposed a reduction in the electric utility tax. from
5 3/4% to 5%, and he based his proposal on data which indicated increased revenue due to increased
utility rate which offsets The needs of the City to offset growth and inflation. He provided
figures to support his proposal and asked that it be considered in the budget deliberations.
Councilmember Nordquist stated that he had been advised:by an administrative member of the
Health District who lives in Edmonds that his wife recently.was crossing the street at 3rd and
Main when a City car made a right turn on a red light and struck her. He said she grabbed for
the hood of the vehicle and the vehicle kept going. Then, about three days later she saw the
same car dropping someone off and again violating some safety rules. Councilmember Nordquist
suggested there be score driving courses for the employees.
Councilmember Nordquist asked when the new Mayor will be sworn in, and City Attorney Wayne
Tanaka said the oath is usually given at the meeting immediately preceding that when he assumes
office, or anytime up to 10 days prior to taking office. The oath is scheduled to be given
January 3, 1984.
Councilmember Nordquist said it has been a tradition to cancel the meeting between Christmas
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and New Years, and therefore COUNCiLPEM3ER NORDQUIST MOVED, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HALL, TO
CANCEL THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 27, 1983. MOI.ION CARRIED.
Council President Jaech referred to a letter contesting the height of a specific building being
constructed, and Planning Director Mary Lou Block said that letter was meant to go to the
Hearing Examiner for a hearing which he conducted, and the letter had been misdirected to the
Council. The Hearing Examiner jid receive the letter, also.
Council President Jaech reminded everyone that during the budget process they had to look at
setting up some maintenance and repair reserves.
Council President jaech referred to a puLlication, the "United Way Log," which indicated that
Ray Gould and the South County Cistrict took honors in the recent campaign. Councilmember -
Gould attrituteJ the success of the campaign to volunteers such as Pat LeXay an; Gordie Hyde.
Councilmember Allen distributed a ,proposal for restructuring the organization of the City which
she asked the Council to consider. Councilmember Gould said it would be very important that
the new Mayor and his staff have an opportunity to work out what they think would be a suitable
form for their government, which may or may not be the same as Councilmember Allen suggested.
He felt that the best people to help make the decision are the people who work for the City.
Councilmember Nordyuis;, observed that something has to be done soon about the Engineering and
Public Works Departments.
Councilmember Kasper said he had intended bringing up the subjects of maintenance reserves,
organization.structure, and.the._.ntility tax reduction, but all of those.items were brought up
by others this evening.,
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Councilmember Gould said they have to consider what the 1985 utility rates will be and he
suggested that in the middle of 1984 they start looking at what will be needed for the 1985
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November 15, 1984 - continued •
Councilmember Naughten asked what can'be done about the status of the revenue sharing bill and
also getting the City's assessed valuation. He was told the assessed valuation probably will
be received around December 1 and that Mayor Harrison had written a letter to the President
recommending.th.at the revenue sharing bill be passed. He received a reply thanking him for his
input.
Councilmember Naughten asked about the task force to study the question of computer acquisition
and he was told -there will be information in next week's packet.
Councilmember Hall distributed the results of the survey recently taken on the proposed performing
arts complex. She said the governing.board will be meeting and there will be a public meeting
at the PUD on December 7, 1983, at 7:30 p.m., to gather input.
Councilmember Hall suggested that there be an evaluation of the Council Resource Person in
order to give her some direction.
Councilmember Hall noted that there will be some kind of flea market at the Doces property on
Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays, and she asked if that will cause police problems. Assistant
Police Chief Dan Prinz said he did not anticipate problems.
Councilmember Hall said she probably will not be present at next week's meeting. She also
called attention to a brochure on a program entitled "Snohomish County Going International"
which she.may wish to attend. There is a $30 registration fee.
There was no further business to.come before the Council, and the meeting adjourned at 10:50 p.m.
IRENE VARNEY MORAN, Yity Clerk - NNE JA , Mayor Pro tem
November 22, 1983 -Work Meeting
The regular meeting of the Edmonds City Council was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Mayor Harve
Harrison in the Plaza Meeting Room of the Edmonds Library. All present joined in the flag
salute.
PRESENT ABSENT *STAFF PRESENT
Harve Harrison, Mayor Jo -Anne Jaech Jim Adams, City Engineer
Ray Gould Laura Hall Irene Varney Moran, City Clerk
Larry Naughten Art Housler, Finance Director
Bill Kasper Marlo Foster, Police Chief
Katherine Allen Ron Schirman, Asst. Fire Chief
John Nordquist Pat LeMay, Personnel Director
Steve.Simpson';-Parks & Recreation Dir.
Mary Lou Block, Planning Director
Jim Jessel, Property Manager
Bobby Mills, Acting Public Works Supt. •
Linda McCrystal, Info/Arts Coord.
Wayne Tanaka, City Attorney
Jackie Parrett, Deputy City Clerk
Mayor Harrison recognized Kirby White in the audience who in turn introduced two cross country
runners from School District 15, Tim Porter and Kirby White, Jr.* The boys had won the AA cross
country events for District 15 in Spokane and then went to Longview last weekend and won the
regional (Idaho, Washington,. and Oregon) cross country events for District 15, Snohomish County,
and the State of Washington. .They will be representing Washington in Fresno, California, on
December 10 in the Junior Olympics. Their coach, Mr. Campbell, will go with them under the
sponsorship and at the expense of the school district. Mr. White was present this evening to
solicit support and funds to send the ten boys on the team, which will cost approximately
$3,000. City Attorney Wayne Tanaka stated -that the City cannot make an outright gift of funds
but there may be some possible way to sponsor them. It was suggested that the City recognize
what the boys have accomplished and that -each person contact people they may know who could
contribute to this activity. An.account has been set up at Shoreline Savings & Loan under the
name "The Team Maltby," P.O. Box 428,-Edmonds, and donations should be made by December 2 if
possible. The team was congratulated by the Council.
Kathy Stumpf of Sherwood Elementary School PTA presented a cake to the Council to thank them
for finally installing a traffic signal at 226th and SR 104. A recess was announced so all
could enjoy the cake.
CONSENT AGENDA
CnI,JNCjLMFMRFR NAK,NTFN MnwFnSGC0K19c l .gY COU'K!CIL."".E-10EP. ALLEN, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA
EXCEPT FOR ITEM (H) WHICH HAD BEEN WITHDRAWN. MOTION CARRIED. The approved items on the
Consent Agenda included the following: